1000 rating unachievable for AVERAGE adult?

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Irgenus

For those with experience in teaching adults or older kids chess, what do you think a person of average intelligence could achieve? 1000?

The average chess player can obviously go way higher, but people interested in chess usually are people that are interested in intellectual things anyway - people playing chess are skimmed off the top.... Only 10% of the iceberg is visible, as they say. 

 

In my experience I think 1000 is probably the maximum achievable rating for an adult of average intelligence....

 

Most of the people I have played chess against, people that were successful in math or other quantitative majors, were usually 500-800 strength. I would imagine the average adult would be 300-500 strength after becoming familiarized with chess. I started at about 750 at the beginning of this year and have improved 100 points since then, so I think I will go over 1000 rating one day, even though the gains have mostly plateaued. 

 

Thund3rSt0rm225
1000 in which time format? Bullet, blitz, rapid or longer formats? Is it OTB? Other than intelligence, chess requires a lot of study as well. Not many adults can afford that much time. But with proper training with books, apps and video lessons, I think an adult can easily cross 1000. 1400 should be the first target or milestone for adults who have never studied chess before.
ed1975

It should be easy for you to go above 1000. Keep playing longer time controls, review your games and learn from your losses and solve tactics puzzles daily. 300-500 is in my opinion someone who doesnt even know the rules properly.

RealAnishGiri
Yeah I'm 13 and have passed 1000 in all categories and hit 1313 in bullet. So I believe that is majorly incorrect
Harmbtn

1200-1400 is within reach for an average late starter provided they put in the work and study correctly.

I didn't know the rules until I started at age 24 four years ago.

BeepBeepImA747
The average person, with only a couple of study hours a day, can easily reach 500 within a few years. 1000? You're dreaming.
Irgenus
BeepBeepImA747 wrote:
The average person, with only a couple of study hours a day, can easily reach 500 within a few years. 1000? You're dreaming.

 

I think that's an exaggeration... the average adult, once they learn the moves, is probably 400-600. Memorizing basic ideas like development, center control, castling, etc, along with being able to check if the pieces are hanging, should take them to 900 in standard time control. The last 100 points requires some understanding of tactics, which is very difficult for most people to develop. I would say 1000 is the maximum reasonably achievable rating. Perhaps with full time study and true dedication, 1200 as a lifetime high.... maybe.... 

With a coach directing study, perhaps the average adult would go much further, possibly even 1300-1400 lifetime. 

ed1975

I disagree, I don't think some basic tactics are that difficult to see. Most people can understand things like overloading and take advantage of it. I think you are doing the average human mind a disservice.

MickinMD

Yes.  I've coached teenagers who had no trouble getting to 1000 OTB standard USCF ratings within two years of beginning to play and some of them were less than average in academic ability.

I myself didn't learn openings until my mid-20's and began playing in tournaments in my late 20's and hit 1200 relatively quickly.  I might take at least an hour a day of study, concentrating on tactics problems and 15 minute or longer clock games, but anyone with a clear mind should hit 1000.

cyberwarior

by doing 10-20 tactics daily u can easily hit 1000.

Piperose
AhPhoey wrote:

The average adult is 300 - 500??   How is it even possible to be 300??  300 would be a person that dribbles when he eats a meal? 

Imagine subjecting such persons to an hour long lecture on the Boleslavsky Hole🤓...wouldn't that be in violation of Article 5 of the UDHR

Irgenus

Where I went to high school, 25% could literally not read and the "calculus" teacher could not FOIL...how can you teach chess to these people??

i think all of you are grossly exaggerating the mental capacities of the average person

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Irgenus

Where I went to high school, 25% could literally not read and the "calculus" teacher could not FOIL...how can you teach chess to these people??

i think all of you are grossly exaggerating the mental capacities of the average person

ed1975

 chess is not calculus. Chess does not require extensive reading abilities either

Irgenus
ed1975 wrote:

 chess is not calculus. Chess does not require extensive reading abilities either

You've completely missed the point

mgx9600

Most adults (who's not senile) can learn chess faster than kids if given the same amount of time.  The same is true for older vs younger kids.  It's just that a 6 yr old kid has many more years to learn vs a 50 yr old adult before senility sets in.

 

As for average person and rating, I remember something like this: the average adult who "plays" chess (i.e. not knowing all the rules) has a rating of about 200 USCF.  An adult who's read a book or two have USCF 500-800.  An adult who studies chess even just 2-3 hr/wk is about 1000.

 

In fact, if you look at USCF tournaments, most reserved sections (i.e. sections for beginners) with adults in mind (i.e. not scholastic chess) cuts off at 1200, and when you play in there, most adult players are rated around 1000 (and these are beginners who are fairly new to the game).

 

Just as a reference, a club here uses USCF 400 as the boundary between knowing and not knowing all the chess rules.

 

mgx9600
Irgenus wrote:

Where I went to high school, 25% could literally not read and the "calculus" teacher could not FOIL...how can you teach chess to these people??

i think all of you are grossly exaggerating the mental capacities of the average person

 

Chess is a very specific game, and IMHO has nothing really to do with math.  Whatever in its history that made it into an intellectual game... I don't know, but as a player I'm not complaining.. because at least fewer people look down on playing chess vs (say) video games.  Both are good entertainment, at least with chess people don't criticize as much : )

 

If the average person who has an interest in chess (even if a slight interest) can't go above 1000 (USCF? or here on chess.com?), then I think it is because of a training issue.  Same with the video gamer who can't pass easy level.  Not because of intelligence or anything.  Just wrong training.

 

Fortunately for chess players, because chess is an established game, it's got tons of good training materials and methods.  Just pick up any beginner-oriented book (e.g. Chess for Dummies) and after learning it, you'll be 1000/

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