6 masters who proved that chess kills your brain and your life - YOU ARE WARNED

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wickiwacky

I agree with Neha above - it happens in many walks of life. It may have been more prevalent 20 or 30 years ago. For example, in the UK, think of Alex Higgins (famous and brilliant sooker player who let the booze get the better of him) or many football (soccer) players who were renowned for partying hard. Nowadays people have to be more serious to be able to compete at a high level and therefore there are less 'characters' and more singled-minded professionals around. 

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Neha99 wrote:
nimzomalaysian wrote:

1. Paul Morphy - Regarded as the first unofficial world champion, within 2 years of playing international chess, he went nuts. Chess rearranged his neurons and he was never the same again. He spent the last 10 years of his life wandering aimlessy talking to himself. He died a beggar.

2. Willhelm Steinitz - This was the first official world champion but he died in an insane asylum, broken and flea infested. Chess manipulated his brain and destroyed his emotional quotient. He was eventually left to the dogs.

3. Jose Capablanca - This guy never did a day's work in his life. Everything came to him easy in life. He was such a genious at chess that he did no training, he read no book. All this developed in him the biggest egos the chess world has ever seen. All he did was eat gourmet meals, flirt with the best looking ladies and play poker smoking home made cigar. Eventually he died when he was analyzing a game in a chess club in New York when an artery in his brain burst due to high blood pressure. He was wearing a $1500 suit when this happened. 

4. Alexander Alekhine - This guy spent 12 hours a day playing and analyzing chess for over 40 years. After beating Capablanca in the world championship match, he took his life for granted and became a drunkard, he used to arrive for a game stinking of alchohol. Once, he even peed in his pants during a game because he was too drunk to stumble to the toilet. He was assasinated in Portugal, his dead body was found hunched over a chess board.

 

5. Mikhail Tal - He was a genius over the board at spotting tactical combinations, his games are shocking. But, he was also a chain smoker and a drug addict, he executed masterpieces over the board under the influence of narcotics, he saw his own things on the board. He died prematurely at the age of 50, he looked like an 80 year old man. He died of kidney failure due to his lifetime indulgence in vodka, drugs and ciggarates.

6. Bobby Fisher - This person needs no introduction, he was arguably the greatest player of his time. But for the last 30 years of his life, he was the chess world's mad uncle, an embarrassment that cannot be expressed in words. He eventually died of kidney failure, he refused all his medicines.

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So, a question to all those who want to take chess seriously -

Do you really think its worth it to sacrifice your life, your happiness, the well-being of your loved ones just to achieve a superfluous title like a GM? Go to college, get a degree, get a job, live your life.

If I may say so,

None of the stories/incident does not have any way related to chess..This happens/happned to many people (regardless sports or any celebrities). Even this happens to common people. One thing i have noticed here is all were addicted to certain bad habbits. Why cant we talk about the rest of the GM's? (when that counts majority?)

Double negation...

PEDEKA_UMUTANG

it is true that God given talents should be used sparingly and not to abuse one's self, in view of seriously playing chess nothing in this world remains unchanged, keep changing as time pass by

nimzomalaysian
Neha99 wrote:
nimzomalaysian wrote:

1. Paul Morphy - Regarded as the first unofficial world champion, within 2 years of playing international chess, he went nuts. Chess rearranged his neurons and he was never the same again. He spent the last 10 years of his life wandering aimlessy talking to himself. He died a beggar.

2. Willhelm Steinitz - This was the first official world champion but he died in an insane asylum, broken and flea infested. Chess manipulated his brain and destroyed his emotional quotient. He was eventually left to the dogs.

3. Jose Capablanca - This guy never did a day's work in his life. Everything came to him easy in life. He was such a genious at chess that he did no training, he read no book. All this developed in him the biggest egos the chess world has ever seen. All he did was eat gourmet meals, flirt with the best looking ladies and play poker smoking home made cigar. Eventually he died when he was analyzing a game in a chess club in New York when an artery in his brain burst due to high blood pressure. He was wearing a $1500 suit when this happened. 

4. Alexander Alekhine - This guy spent 12 hours a day playing and analyzing chess for over 40 years. After beating Capablanca in the world championship match, he took his life for granted and became a drunkard, he used to arrive for a game stinking of alchohol. Once, he even peed in his pants during a game because he was too drunk to stumble to the toilet. He was assasinated in Portugal, his dead body was found hunched over a chess board.

 

5. Mikhail Tal - He was a genius over the board at spotting tactical combinations, his games are shocking. But, he was also a chain smoker and a drug addict, he executed masterpieces over the board under the influence of narcotics, he saw his own things on the board. He died prematurely at the age of 50, he looked like an 80 year old man. He died of kidney failure due to his lifetime indulgence in vodka, drugs and ciggarates.

6. Bobby Fisher - This person needs no introduction, he was arguably the greatest player of his time. But for the last 30 years of his life, he was the chess world's mad uncle, an embarrassment that cannot be expressed in words. He eventually died of kidney failure, he refused all his medicines.

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So, a question to all those who want to take chess seriously -

Do you really think its worth it to sacrifice your life, your happiness, the well-being of your loved ones just to achieve a superfluous title like a GM? Go to college, get a degree, get a job, live your life.

If I may say so,

None of the stories/incident does not have any way related to chess..This happens/happned to many people (regardless sports or any celebrities). Even this happens to common people. One thing i have noticed here is all were addicted to certain bad habbits. Why cant we talk about the rest of the GM's? (when that counts majority?)

Please read the entire thread, the answer to your question should be somewhere there.

wickiwacky

Not abusing oneself is a challenge for many chess players ;) 

patzerman

I think the author has a point in a way. Probably most of us who fell in love with this game and then learned how wack-a-doo most of the masters were thought "Holy c**p what am I getting involved in?"  I certaily did when I learned the game at 16. Luckily  (at 61) I am a strong club player at best so I avoided the worst!Foot in Mouth   I think the current crop of young GM's right up to the World Champ are doing a good job of dispelling the image of the crazy,life-ruined chess champ by being completely normal,as far as we are able to see.

Pulpofeira

I have to agree.

P_S_S_23

Nimzo please answer back to me.

bunicula
nimzomalaysian wrote:
Gamificast wrote:

Topics like this could kill your brain.

If I named 6 people that smoked their entire lives and didn't die from lung cancer, would that prove that smoking doesn't cause lung cancer? I think not.

6 people is too small a sample to prove anything.

That's a pretty weak argument. 6 people among a hundred thousand smokers is certainly a very small number but, 6 people among 13 world champions is a very huge number.

"Do you really think its worth it to sacrifice your life, your happiness, the well-being of your loved ones just to achieve a superfluous title like a GM? "

so your hypothesis was about GMs or champs?

the_johnjohn

nimzomalaysian wrote:

the_johnjohn wrote:
nimzomalaysian wrote:

There was an article written in 2014 which supports my very theory, lots of chess can shrink your brain - Beware, playing lots of chess can shrink your brain!

Beware, your brain might be on the shrink right now. So, don't spend too much time on chess, pick up a new hobby.

Like writing stupid posts?

Why so defensive? If you don't agree with something I say then counter it by stating your argument instead of calling people stupid or troll. I hope we're all a little more matured than some kid in some high school.

people have given you plenty arguments but you don't seem to listen.

Brb2023bruhh

OP if you argue your topic is right you should have left the site after posting the topic

Uptown42

Brain shrinkage is actually a good thing though. It technically means increased neural efficiency.

nimzomalaysian
the_johnjohn wrote:
nimzomalaysian wrote:
the_johnjohn wrote:
nimzomalaysian wrote:

There was an article written in 2014 which supports my very theory, lots of chess can shrink your brain - Beware, playing lots of chess can shrink your brain!

Beware, your brain might be on the shrink right now. So, don't spend too much time on chess, pick up a new hobby.

Like writing stupid posts?

Why so defensive? If you don't agree with something I say then counter it by stating your argument instead of calling people stupid or troll. I hope we're all a little more matured than some kid in some high school.

people have given you plenty arguments but you don't seem to listen.

Oh so you call someone stupid if he/she doesn't agree with your argument? Very bad.

nimzomalaysian
wwunt wrote:

OP if you argue your topic is right you should have left the site after posting the topic

Well this site is not JUST for playing chess you know.

nimzomalaysian
pranavswami wrote:
nimzomalaysian wrote:
pranavswami wrote:

Those are only 6 chessplayers. Think about all the other thousands that had a good career and life? All sports have players that have been killed by things like this. Your point is clearly not backed with enough evidence. Think about it are any people in the top 10 today like that?

If you look closely, you'll find hundreds of cases where a chess master's life has ended in tradegy, I've only considered the 6 most famous players who were all world champions.

The top 10 of today are all very young, still in their 20s. It takes time for chess to deteriorate a person's mental health by modifying the neural paths. Magnus has already started to show some signs, look at his interviews, he struggles to make complete sentences when he speaks. It's just a matter of time before he turns into the next Fisher. Kramnik is a chain smoker, he was also involved in the toiletgate scandal where it was alleged that he used a computer in the toilet. 

If you want to count all those hundreds of players think about every single other sport. Almost every sport has cases like these. Hundreds of millions of people have played chess. There are still many that have not been corrupted. So what about Anand? He is in his 30s to 40s and he is a clean player. And your point about Magnus is wrong. He is not struggling to complete sentences. First he is from Norway so he just has that sort of accent. Most proffesional players struggle to complete sentences considering all the people watching the and all the people that will watch them on the internet and how easily they can be critisized if their interviews are not perfect. If you had all  those people watching you could you give a perfect interview?

I don't think every other sport has over 50% of its world champions either addicts or mentally ill. Again, you may say many chess players are totally fine, but look at those people who played and analyzed it for over 12 hours a day, many of them are corrupted. Yes, Anand is still in his 40s, Magnus is still in his 20s, Fisher was totally fine when he was in his 20s or 40s too, but you saw what happened to him later.

I don't think Magnus has a difficulty with English, he speaks in the same way in his mother tongue too. Look at Anand, he speaks very well even though English is not his first language. 

nimzomalaysian
bunicula wrote:
nimzomalaysian wrote:
Gamificast wrote:

Topics like this could kill your brain.

If I named 6 people that smoked their entire lives and didn't die from lung cancer, would that prove that smoking doesn't cause lung cancer? I think not.

6 people is too small a sample to prove anything.

That's a pretty weak argument. 6 people among a hundred thousand smokers is certainly a very small number but, 6 people among 13 world champions is a very huge number.

"Do you really think its worth it to sacrifice your life, your happiness, the well-being of your loved ones just to achieve a superfluous title like a GM? "

so your hypothesis was about GMs or champs?

About people who take chess too seriously.

advancededitingtool1

been to the doctor lately, a proper checkup is a good thing from time to time

imsighked2

Six is an awfully small sample size. In science, you cannot detect a true effect with such a small sample size. Instead, search for this by this headline:

How Chess Players' Brains Are Different From Everybody Else's

Studies show that the brains of people who play chess are significantly different than an average brain. For example, grandmaster chess players have more activity in their frontal and parietal cortices, areas of the brain that focus on problem-solving and recognition. Children who took chess classes for 18 weeks had higher IQ scores afterward.

Much more than a simple pastime or diversion, chess provides numerous benefits to our cerebra. Here are some of the most impressive:

1. Playing chess at a young age can help develop advanced math and critical thinking skills.

Studies show that playing chess as a kid has a high positive correlation with academic achievement. In one study, researchers found that students who were taught how to play chess were more academically advanced overall, especially in math, spatial analysis and nonverbal reasoning ability.

2. Chess can shrink your brain — which is actually a good thing.

In a study where researchers scanned the brains of elite chess players, they found that these players actually had smaller brains than the non-elite players — and that's not a bad thing. As Christian Jarrett writes in Wired, their research suggests that areas of brain shrinkage "can be a sign of neural efficiency and a reflection of behavioral expertise" as opposed to a negative result. Bigger is not always better.

3. Advanced chess players use both sides of the brain.

Scientists analyzed patterns of the brains of elite chess players and found that more advanced chess players used both sides of the brain while making decisions during games. By exercising both sides of the brain, players are using the more visually focused right side to recognize patterns from games past and the analytical left side to decide what is the best logical move. This exercise strengthens both sides of the brain, making the player a more advanced and adept thinker. 

4. Chess teaches you to think in patterns.

In 1996, researchers Fernand Gobet and Herbert Simon analyzed then-world chess champion Garry Kasparov while he played a simul, a series of chess games played at once. In the study, they concluded that Kasparov relied on "memory and access to memory through recognition of clues" in order to play and win multiple games at once. Grandmaster chess players who practice and play consistently are able to recognize patters on the chess board and use those patterns and memories from previous games to play.

5. Playing chess teaches you how to think like a computer.

Matthew Berland published an article in the Entertainment Technology Center at Carnegie Mellon University concluding that people who play strategic board games, like chess, train themselves to think more like computers. Berland finds that playing strategy games requires people to engage in "computational thinking," where "players follow a set of relatively uncomplicated rules with a few decision points for which players have voluminous data."   

6. Expert chess players are expert problem solvers.

In a study conducted by researchers at the University of Konstanz in Germany, researchers found that grandmaster chess players use the frontal cortex of the brain when making moves in a chess game. The frontal lobe is an area of the brain associated with problem-solving, suggesting that these players were drawing on previous memories to recognize patterns and make decisions. In comparison, the amateur chess players used the medial temporal lobe of the brain, an area focused on learning new long-term memories.

advancededitingtool1

Really?

Pulpofeira

But seriously do you think this guy is serious? Have you read #148?