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Si-Eric

This is a chess rule that I think should be changed...Here's an example.

My new rule says that the king is able to take of the Bishop Because the white Knight is pinned to his King:

KvothDuval

ok but then the knight can take the king and without the king you can no longer direct your forces =)

ajttja

If you think about it, you need the king to order your other pieces to move so after Kxd1 Nxd1 you no longer have a kind to tell the queen to take whites king...

KvothDuval
ajttja wrote:

If you think about it, you need the king to order your other pieces to move so after Kxd1 Nxd1 you no longer have a kind to tell the queen to take whites king...

... copycat...

LoveYouSoMuch

the only rule that perhaps i would like to be changed is stalemate, so that the stalemating player wins. :p

maybe in the future to diminish the amount of draws? think about the effects this would have in endgame theory :o

ajttja
cjt33 wrote:
ajttja wrote:

If you think about it, you need the king to order your other pieces to move so after Kxd1 Nxd1 you no longer have a kind to tell the queen to take whites king...

... copycat...

we posted it at the exact same time!

jaaas

Then the white knight at e6 would just take the black king and the game would be over. If it could capture the black king, it would not matter anymore for it to expose its own king, as it would capture the enemy's king first, thus ending the game in White's favor. The threat from the black queen towards the white king would be futile, as, with the game being over, Black wouldn't have a chance anymore to retaliate.

In modern chess, there is the rule which prohibits a king to remain in check or to walk into check (from this rule it follows that the game ends in checkmate rather than taking the king). However, you can try this out in OTB bullet - there, it is often custom to just capture the opponent's king if it walks into or remains in check. Capturing the white bishop with the black king would result in the immediate capture of the black king by the knight and a win for White.

king_nothing1
cjt33 wrote:
ajttja wrote:

If you think about it, you need the king to order your other pieces to move so after Kxd1 Nxd1 you no longer have a kind to tell the queen to take whites king...

... copycat...

seems like copy cat is the 'word of the day' for cjt33

jaaas
LoveYouSoMuch wrote:

the only rule that perhaps i would like to be changed is stalemate, so that the stalemating player wins. :p

maybe in the future to diminish the amount of draws? think about the effects this would have in endgame theory :o

The stalemate rule is one of the last essential rules of modern chess to have changed (the only core rule which was universally established later was the en passant capture). Up to the beginning of the 19th century a stalemate situation was considered an "inferior win".

While one may argue that a stalemated king is just as much doomed to capture as a checkmated one, making a stalemate a draw makes chess more interesting, giving a defender a way to avoid a loss, and keeping a player with a large material advantage on his toes.

klfay1
jaaas wrote:

Then the white knight at e6 would just take the black king and the game would be over. If it could capture the black king, it would not matter anymore for it to expose its own king, as it would capture the enemy's king first, thus ending the game in White's favor. The threat from the black queen towards the white king would be futile, as, with the game being over, Black wouldn't have a chance anymore to retaliate.

In modern chess, there is the rule which prohibits a king to remain in check or to walk into check (from this rule it follows that the game ends in checkmate rather than taking the king). However, you can try this out in OTB bullet - there, it is often custom to just capture the opponent's king if it walks into or remains in check. Capturing the white bishop with the black king would result in the immediate capture of the black king by the knight and a win for White.

But the white knight can't move - it's pinned...

jaaas

Read it again. It can move if it captures the opponent's king (thus ending the game immediately) by doing so. That's the whole point, and the two paragraphs explain it thoroughly.

KvothDuval
king_nothing1 wrote:
cjt33 wrote:
ajttja wrote:

If you think about it, you need the king to order your other pieces to move so after Kxd1 Nxd1 you no longer have a kind to tell the queen to take whites king...

... copycat...

seems like copy cat is the 'word of the day' for cjt33

lol i guess so =)

GMVillads

The player who loses his King first loses. Black loses his King before he Can take the White King. Therefore White wins.

KvothDuval
vill0236 wrote:

The player who loses his King first loses. Black loses his King before he Can take the White King. Therefore White wins.

just what i said... SO YOU ARE ALSO A COPYCAT!!!

GMVillads

LoveYouSoMuch wrote:

the only rule that perhaps i would like to be changed is stalemate, so that the stalemating player wins. :p

maybe in the future to diminish the amount of draws? think about the effects this would have in endgame theory :o

There is a lot of rules which HAVE to be changed by FIDE. For example the zero tolerance rule and the dress code rules are very bad ideas. Many strong GMs have lost important games because they where forfeitet because they where 1 or 2 minutes late!

Sorry cjt33. I am a copycat. But i Think that very Many People is copycats!

jaaas

The early predecessor to modern chess ended by actually capturing the king. Later the rule prohibiting a king from walking into or remaining in check was introduced, probably in an effort to prevent blundering the king, and thus the game, inadvertently (but, as mentioned, that's often still possible in OTB bullet).

Si-Eric

I don't mean that the knight would take of the king,I mean that the Knight is pinned so the king should be able to take of the Bishop.....

Si-Eric
klfay1 wrote:
jaaas wrote:

Then the white knight at e6 would just take the black king and the game would be over. If it could capture the black king, it would not matter anymore for it to expose its own king, as it would capture the enemy's king first, thus ending the game in White's favor. The threat from the black queen towards the white king would be futile, as, with the game being over, Black wouldn't have a chance anymore to retaliate.

In modern chess, there is the rule which prohibits a king to remain in check or to walk into check (from this rule it follows that the game ends in checkmate rather than taking the king). However, you can try this out in OTB bullet - there, it is often custom to just capture the opponent's king if it walks into or remains in check. Capturing the white bishop with the black king would result in the immediate capture of the black king by the knight and a win for White.

But the white knight can't move - it's pinned...

But the white knight can't move - it's pinned...

Yes that's right!!


FireAndLightz
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Si-Eric

I do not agree with the idea that the Knight can take of the King so the game ends!!!