Accused of cheating by opponent

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macer75
kleelof wrote:
TheAgentSmith wrote:

I really don't understand what the point would be in cheating at online chess. It doesn't help the person cheating to get better and it doesn't help the person that is being cheated against. It's not like it's the World Open or something where people would have motivation to cheat.

Arrowplay wrote:

Thanks for the comments.

I don't see why any average player would enjoy cheating with a computer. Would be tiring a demoralizing not knowing why you were doing something.

You may not be understanding the mindset of a cheater.

Their goal is to make themselves feel better. The 'how' is not important, only the feeling of thinking the other person feels 'less' in some way.

Not really any different than someone who has to always criticize others to make themselves 'feel better'. They are not actually feeling better, they just feel that the target of their criticism feels lesser.

Well... to be fair you don't really understand the mentality of a cheater either unless you've been one. I'm not saying that you have (I realize that the wording sounds like I'm suggesting that). I'm just pointing out that a non-cheater's impression of a cheater's mentality is ultimately just an impression.

kleelof
macer75 wrote:
Well... to be fair you don't really understand the mentality of a cheater either unless you've been one. I'm not saying that you have (I realize that the wording sounds like I'm suggesting that). I'm just pointing out that a non-cheater's impression of a cheater's mentality is ultimately just an impression.

This is not an impression, it is based on 4 years of studying psychology at university. As well as 2 decades of personal study and interest in human psychology.

If you believe what I am saying is BS, feel free to ask any shrink you know. They will tell you that what said is not only possible, but highly likely.

If someone is cheating in an environment where there is no tangiable gain, then their goal is, often, to make themselves feel elevated above who they are trying to cheat.

This can happen 2 ways; make themselves look better or make the other person look worse.

 Perhaps I was a little strong and gave you the impression this was the only reason, it's not. There are many reasons such as antisocialism of anonymity where people put aside social norms because of the lack of social control mechanisms, justification; cheating because they believe most of their opponents are cheating and cheating to boost their personal self-esteem.

Understanding why people cheat, lie and participate in other forms of deception is a very rich psychological subject because the cheater/liar has turned it into such a habit and part of their thinking that it can hide even within people you would never consider to be a cheater.

You don't have to be a cheater to understand the reasons for it. Just like you don't have to be a rapist to know that rape is about power and control rather than sexual desires.

And, while we are on the subject of whether or not I am a cheater. I can tell you this; I was a cheat and liar most of my life for some of the very reasons above. So, education aside, I do have something more than an 'impression' of what someone like this is thinking.

macer75

I guess the point I was making was more about subjectivity and the nature of whether you can really "know" something that someone else is thinking, than cheating itself. Psychology may try to tell us how the mind works, but it's not mind-reading, and, as a science, it is based on probability - when top scientists think that the possibility of a finding being wrong is sufficiently small, it becomes scientifically accepted. I'm always skeptical of scientific studies (especially those in the social sciences) "proving" anything - they may suggest there is reason to believe that there is a high possibility that something is true, but they don't prove that something is 100% true. And the same is true for intuition - I don't really "know" what the purposes of rape, for instance, are (and they're probably different on a case-by-case basis), even though I may have intuitions about what they are.

But anyway... I'm digressing. This thread is about cheating, after all.

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olio3 wrote:
_Number_6 wrote:
olio3 wrote:

I've just been accused of cheating after beating BLACKBARRCUDAII in 8 moves/I tried to message him to ask why but i've been blocked!!

very annoyed

I think it's pretty obvious you were running a mirror Atari 800.

Excuse my ignorance but what is a mirror Atari 800.?


Atari 800!? Only 1.79 MHz of raw computing power!  4KB of RAM!!  8-bits of WOW!  By the ease with which you beat your opponent I was sure you were leaning on the pinnacle of 1979 home computing technology. I mean, just look at the graphics.  It's got to be at least 16 dpi.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari_8-bit_family

It amazing how many people think everyone else cheats but fail to realise they play terrible moves...or they disconnect.