Am I too stupid for chess?

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mattbod

I lose a lot as well. I would forget blitz chess and play some correpsondence based chess on here which gives you several days to think about your moves. Chess takes ages to master and the best way to learn from your losses. Best thing to do is learn to spot patterns which lead to mate. There is a good book called "How to Beat your Dad at Chess" by Murray Chandler. It gives 50 mating patterns with commentary and teaches you how to use them. A lot of people, even quite good players can be suckered by them. You just have to spot the opportunities. Bobby Fischer teaches chess is another good book for beginners as is Bruce Pandolfini's Ulitmate guide to chess. If you have a chessboard at home I STRONGLY advise playing through some games. There is a book called Logical Chess: Move by Move by Irving Chernev which has games with each move explained in a simple and entertaining manner. It really give an insight into the power of the pieces even if the games are pretty old now. However I am not about to start playing fancy defences and openings as learner.

 

I hear what you are saying though. I am always caught out by people rushing their queens out and menacing my developed pieces. It is no fun. Best thing is to play people of similar ability to yourself and that is quite hard online as it is in liffe :(

Daybreak57

I wouldn't totatally abandon blitz.  It doesn't "hurt' your chess game.  When you get better you could warm up by playing a few bullet games, not really caring about making the best move but just making moves trying not to lose anything in the opening and trying to avoid getting mated.  Don't do that yet!  That probably won't have much benefit to you as your low blitz rating shows that you lack an adequete chess knowledge for bullet to be benficial.  I would say warming up to a few 3 minutes wouldn't hurt, then a couple 5 minutes, then 10 minutes, and 30 if you want.  I personally think 30 minute games are boring, but apparently that is where real chess is played.  Eventually I will try and work on my slow game ;)

I do have a good correspondance rating though... so idk...

Anyway, back to what I was saying.  The downfall with blitz is when you play nothing but blitz you start to develop bad habits, like making unnessisary pawn or piece moves, or make pointless checks.  Part of the strategy of blitz is to make those type of unnessisary moves to get a gain on time.  Time is King in blitz, so you sacrifice good moves with bad decisions sometimes just to get a gain on time.  Blitz is half about making a good move, and half about getting a gain on time.  A good blitz player, knows how to manage his time well by constantly glancing at the clock on his opponents turn to get a gauge for how much of a time advantage or disadvange he or she has.  I didn't play much chess when I started playing over the board with long games, so I can't really say I got good just by playing long games, my skills actually improved the most when I played blitz, however, that came over the course of 10 years, and I am still not very good at all considering.  So taking that into consideration, just playing blitz, without studying, leaves you at a disadvantage.  I recommend playing both blitz and long games, so you get better at both, because I think when you stick to doing just long games you tend to become boring, making games last for 2 hours, like someone I know...  Nobody likes that, don't be that person that makes chess games take 2 hours over the board!  

Also once you get to a certain level in blitz, especially on chess.com, it starts to become less and less about skill and more about speed to an extent, especially if you are playing with premoves.  You see I won a lot of games recently and surprising gained 100 rating points just because I started doing premoves.  Sure I made bad premoves at times, and other times I made good premoves.  However, it's how you handle the bad ones that creates an opportunity for your opponent to get a bit frustrated with how much time you have on your clock and ends up making blunders where you just win anyway :)...  So yeah, not a lot of real chess happening especially when premoves come into play sometimes in blitz, but it's fun once you get the hang of it :D.  Blitz is about two things:

 

1.)  Fun

2.)  Sharpening your mind

 

It's a good tool to sharpen your mind, as fluid IQ is only accurately measured in chess with time contraints.  If you where to play a slow game, you would be using more of your learned accumulated chess knowledge, rather than raw calculating ability.  Unless of course you are one of those people that can think 20 moves in your head, that's another thing entirely...  Hats off to people who can look at the board and can picture the pieces moving in their mind 20 moves ahead, that is the skill of the big boys at the long game!  That's something to look forward to kid, but now, just focus on tactics tactics tactics, and learn basic end game stuff like what was mentioned.  I'd like to recommend a book called "303 tricky chess tactics" by fred wilson and Bruce Albeston.  Right now you have to learn tactics, plain and simple.  The reason why you are scoring so low on the tactics trainer is because you are not aquainted with very many tactics.  After going through that book around 50 times, you'll be able to spot a lot more tactics.  That's actually a book I myself am reading right now btw!  It will help you to!

Remember the first rule of chess is to develop, never move the same piece twice in the opening unless you are creating some kind of threat, knights before bishops, and notice the structure of your pawns in every game as in the future pawn structure will be something you will need to really focus on.  Don't worry too much about pawn structure now, beyond trying to avoid doubled pawns, isolated pawns, hanging pawns, look those up :D.  There are good articles here that talk about all of these things but unless you pay chess.com you will not be able to read or view all of them.  If you can afford it, and get a paid chess.com membership, I would say it will really help your game if you go through the desktop study plan for beginners, as it shows you the basics and beyond.  I went through a good chunk of it and it even helped me.  The information there is very good.

therealpete
aerodarts wrote:
therealpete wrote:

I lose so much, it's hard to continue playing.

 

I was wondering  what you decided to do? Are you going to quit playing chess because you are to stupid to play chess?

The thing about quiting, no one is even going to notice you left! A harsh and sad reality. However, if you try taking some advice that strangers left for you to follow, you will improve.

The odd thing is when you win a game of chess there is always the other guy on the other side of the board who may be feeling they are to stupid to play chess...Are you going to take the time to be a good sport to them?

I continue to play. I"m keeping my head down and focusing on developing my fundementals. I've ordered some books to read up on and I'm taking other steps as well. Thanks everyone for the insightful advice!

mattbod

What did you order out of interest. As for your rating it does not seem too bad to me. I am fairly new to chess and to this site but on a correspondence chess app i am rated at 850. As a new player I am more interested in learning and experience than ratings. Some good people might be prepared to mentor you through an unrated game or play a normal game and agree a draw. That has happened to me recently.

RelaxedMoves
therealpete hat geschrieben:

I lose so much, it's hard to continue playing. I have zero fun when i lose, and when I have zero fun I find theres very little reason to continue playing. Is chess the sort of game where you have to sink till you swim? I try watching some replays or commentary but quite frankly i have no idea what i'm actually looking at. I tried to use the tactics trainer but it's hard to see how it's helping me. I've been playing 3 minute blitz games because I feel like it is forcing me to realize and see plays and strategies quickly, which in turn does something that I"m not aware of yet. ANYWAYS, onto the title in my topic;

My rating is awful, and it's degrading. And then whenever I play against another person who is also equally as bad (according to this 'ELO' rating) and they beat me with some cheese strat i get so frustrated. What exactly should I be doing as a new player? "Studying & practicing" sounds easy, but in practice when confidence is nill and frustration is at 100% it's hard to maintain that sort that train of thought.

Switch off the computer, join a chess club.

mattbod

Thing is lots of chess clubs are pretty much closed shops and don't recommend relative newbies. Some like me just like to play for pleasure and for mental stimulation rather than tournaments. I am very much a "coffeeshop" player.

blastforme

It would be fun to join a chess club. Both of my kids have started playing recently. But I hear the local chess club isn't friendly to newbies, and on their website, they say kids under 14 aren't allowed lol... And that's a community center, city supported chess club.  Seems like maybe Chess club people are a bit snooty! :oP

corum

therealpete 

I would be happy to play a few turn-based games against you and then send you an analysis and advice about how to play and where your key problems are.

I am not a super strong player (about 1800) but I have been 2000 at one point. However, as a University Professor I have a great interest in teaching and I think I know how to teach people who are <1500 to get to the next level. If you want to do this just let me know

RelaxedMoves
mattbod hat geschrieben:

Thing is lots of chess clubs are pretty much closed shops and don't recommend relative newbies (...)

This sounds like a myth to me. As a long term chessclub member playing actively in ligas and tournaments i have never experienced something like this. When i started in my local chessclub being around age 14 i was like elo 500. That is not an unusual playing level new chess club members have. I remember my first game, my opp beated me with the bishop sac on h7. I was like wow, that dude is a strong player, haha. But i played longer games, analyzed them afterwards with my opp (usus in real world chess), had access to chess books, contact to stronger players, got lessons from a trainer, it was fun. After a year i was already elo 1500, a year later i was 1800 etc.

chess.com wont tell you but becoming stronger is not just about staring at a board on a screen. It is a culture. And the best access to chess culture is a club.


@blastforme this is unusual. We had 8 year old kids in our club. Also many clubs have separated times for adults and for children. Chess people are not snooty. Are the people on this website snooty? Why would real life chess people be?

mattbod

Ok Relaxedmoves I just went to mine which was pretty cliquey. Will try another! I am crap at the moment though as self tauht through books in my last year. New to site so my rating is probably about 500 too IRL.

Masamune314

I'm just a casual player off line and by far not the best, but I will echo some of the advice above. I do a bit of ground fighting in my particular martial art and I am a slightly larger than average woman though not very big. For a long time I hated going against the big guys at the dojo who outweighed me by at least 50 pounds. Then one day I decided that I wouldn't care about losing, no matter if it was 1,000 times. I would start analyzing the matches and try to take away one thing from each bout. After a while I started to see the "chess game" in it, and developed my own strategies based off of my own strengths, which are not massive size and strength. Also, relax. Try to let your mind relax while playing and not get so nervous about winning. Easier said than done though. But, the only way you learn is to play players a bit out of your league and to lose. Otherwise, you don't learn anything by winning all the time. You just do the same stale things over and over and that gets you nowhere.

isayoldboy

I just skimmed this thread and I think you're getting some really good advice. I can't really speak to how you can get better at playing chess, partly because I'm rated worse than you haha (also your rating isn't that bad in the scheme of things. Plenty of people [choose to] languish in the low 1000s forever).

 

Apart from recommending chess lectures/videos as a new way to study (if you get sick of books -- I find it hard to concentrate on tactics sometimes), I'll mention another thing that only a few others have commented on: I think this is partially a mental/psychological thing. I suspect, based on some of the info that you've given, that you might have made too strong an association between your intelligence and your chess ability. If you weren't able to run a sub-3 hour marathon after a year of constant training, would you say "Oh, I'm just not cut out for this running lark?" One would hope not!

 

Chill, dude. You're doing okay and you want to improve, and that's all anyone can ask for. Stick with it. The best chess players are the ones that bear up under loss, or the threat of loss, and come back again and again. As Capablanca said, "You will have to lose 100s of games before becoming a great player."

wishiwonthatone

Everybody has good advice. I add:

Spend 60% of your move time looking at the game from your opponents point of view. What can they do? Respond accordingly. The other 40% work on your plan given their weakness.

Try this: Go play 2 minute bullet chess and make random moves. Don't try to win. Get used to being destroyed. It's actually fun and believe it or not I've done this and won many games in the process because people aren't used to playing against chaos.

Finally - stop caring. Have fun.

mattbod

Best advice ever last poster. I think people get psychologically worried by seeing a rating plummet but that does not bother me. I will try the bizarre move tactics sometime too.

jonnin

blitz might be fun, but its not very good chess.  There are people rated far, far higher than I am that hang pieces, miss checkmate, and more in the super fast games (understandable).   Pick some of the blitz games between people rated over 2000 and you will find mistake after mistake.  A lot of the games are just won on time, rather than any decisive play.  For me, anything faster than 1/2 an hour or so per side leads to trash games with low quality moves. 

Two fun things you can do right away ... try some online games, with at least 2 days/move (most players will make more than 1 move/day, no one wants a game to take 2 years to complete) and try to find a good vote chess game where you can read the discussions and get insight into how higher rated players plan out a move.

Try, also, to re-think your idea of fun.   If you only have fun when winning, perhaps a pvp shooter would suit you better.   Losing really should be a fun experience as well -- you have an opportunity to learn from your mistakes and challenge yourself to do better.   I mean, I could play low rated people all day and win every time, but that would not be fun, it would be boring.   Or I could set my computer to play at a 1300 or something rating, and crush it, what fun is that?  Its only fun when you have to work for it, and its just as fun to win as to lose, since losing means an opportunity to improve.

deathshed

Hard work, patience and skill(intelligence) are required to do well in chess.

I have worked hard and I have patience. I lack the intelligence.

No matter how many games I tried, I have not managed to do well. I make the same mistake again and again. With great difficulty I put lichess and chess in my hosts file to prevent myself from wasting a minute more than I need to. I enjoy the game, but being a pathological loser is not fun.

I live better. With my slight intellectual disability, I do fine in other activities in life. Just that chess is not for me.

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