Annoying pawn moves

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String_dogg

Hi there. I've met quite afew players who decide to move all 8 of their pawns in the opening, Without moving a piece until move 10-20!! I find these players so annoying because dispite them knowing nothing about chess-openings they actually beat alot of people with this technique. My standard aproach to this type of player is to use the tempo I have to dovelope all my pieces and get castled. But as I do, all my pieces seem to be attacked easily by their pawns and I end up finding it really hard to get through them. Eventually when I get through they just start bringing their pieces out (hardly) and they just defend against any checks by blocking. By this time I'm getting frustrated and I try trade afew pieces or make sacrifices to get at their king, but they always seem to get the better of me. What's so annoying is they seem bad at chess, but if you try some tricks on them they seem to defend it perfectly. I've looked at some of their other games and they use this plan everytime, with prehaps slightly different variations. It throws me off so much because most people don't play chess this way. I hope my explanation makes sense. Basically my question is, what's the best plan against a player who makes alot of pawn moves? Thanks in advance

sammy_boi

After you have a lead in development, and a safe king, then you should open lines and try to attack. This is how all openings work, yes, even if they are moving 8 pawns on the first 8 moves.

If your development lead is very big, then it's fine to sacrifice pieces just to open up their king and go for checkmate.

Don't develop your knights and bishops to squares where it's easy for the opponent to force them to retreat with a pawn move.

Don't try to win material or attack for the first few moves. Just develop and make sure you king is safe. Another way to say this is to follow opening principals.

 

 

White played a provocative, bad, but also solid opening. You were winning for most of the game, and even near the end you weren't losing or anything. So it wasn't such a bad game on your part. Just focus on opening principals (don't initiate captures like you did on move 5) and tactics.

The Ne4 with rook behind it, then sac on f2 is a common attacking pattern when your pieces are more active, so that's a good one to remember.

String_dogg

Thank you so much for the responce! I've had tens of games like this and It always throws me off, brings me into a false sense of security and then I just mess up. After he doveloped his dark square bishop, only to bring it back to the starting square as soon as my knight attacked it - I thought it was an easy win and just stopped thinking so much. I need to try not let my emotions effect the way I play and just go for a solid win. I just assumed I had enough pieces coming in and he would just blunder a piece at some point. I definantly underestimated him and then started playing slack moves. I can see the potential in my position alot more now, such as the sac on f2 being deadly. I can also see what you're saying about advancing the double A-pawns and pointless trades that improve his position. I'm finding that I play best against someone who plays theoretical moves. But as soon as my opponent plays something unconventional, I don't even feel like I'm playing chess!tongue.png Thanks again for your evaluation, it's helped alot

sammy_boi

No problem happy.png

I was watching an IM on youtube play some 5 minute games when his opponent played something silly like this. After commenting that it was a bad opening, he stopped himself and said the biggest challenge when facing non-serious openings is... to take them seriously. So he would try to focus and play his best. He said some of these people know better, but they do it on purpose for the psychology of it.

So it's something that can throw all of us off.

String_dogg

 That's exactly it, they do know better but you assume they don't! I can see it working well in bullet games as I imagine it's easy to throw pawns up the board but It's alot harder for the opponent to find the weakness in the position - especially when time is a major factor. I'll give you an update if I crush someone next time wink.png 

daxypoo
confirmed it works well, especially against us lowbies, when there is a time crunch; keeping a cool head, being patient w/out being passive, and really looking for that weak point, are tough to pull off 3 min on my clock
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HorrorBringer

You know what also helps? Opening up Fritz or Stockfish or something, full strength, and playing one of these openings against them. Watch how quickly they demolish sloppy junk like this. You won't be able to play like the computer, but you can see the principles, the ideas behind what they are doing to see how to beat openings like this. Watch a 3200 Stockfish crash through this ugly pawn storm and you can start to recognize where the weaknesses are in this sort of play that you might have missed before. 

fewlio

I am a big pawn pusher, sometimes I can jam my opponents and they never really get a chance to do much the whole game!  But sometimes I miss some sharp offensive moves played by my opponents, usually involving queen and bishops, and pay dearly for pushing pawns.  But it is just a lot of fun to do so I'm never gonna stop pushing pawns!

DrChesspain

I've been playing for 40 years and I've never had an opponent do this.

Federal_romzy

I really don't like what chess.com is doing oooo .... I was in the middle of a game and suddenly the app hanged and time frozed and I couldn't do anytin only for me to discover that my time was still running and that counted as a lost loosing 8 points to an opponent I'm very angry I need a reply

Federal_romzy

I really don't like what chess.com is doing oooo .... I was in the middle of a game and suddenly the app hanged and time frozed and I couldn't do anytin only for me to discover that my time was still running and that counted as a lost loosing 8 points to an opponent I'm very angry I need a reply

MikeCrockett

 Romzy its probably a bad ISP connection....  lag will do that.... not anything chess.com can do about that.

Federal_romzy

OK thank you sir am greatful

jambyvedar

I good approach against that TS is move your cdef pawns at the center and then develop your other pieces. You will gain good space advantage. You can even move b pawn at b4.

String_dogg

Thanks for all the comments! Got some good suggestions there, I'll definantly run it through a chess engine. Had another game today against a similar opponent but won this time. Sammy_boi I kept your suggestions in mind, hopefully I put them into action. I could tell there was some killer moves in there, but I just gone for a simple win as calculating different variations was taking up too much time! Thoughts? happy.png  

HorrorBringer

See, with your last game you showed well why that crap doesn't work. Initiating a pawn storm without a secure center invites disaster. Develop pieces, open lines, and get your pieces to his king. I bet he wished he'd had all those useless pawn moves back when he had to cash in every piece he had just to keep from getting mated, because they were sitting on their ass not doing anything. 

Uncle6
sammy_boi wrote:

No problem

I was watching an IM on youtube play some 5 minute games when his opponent played something silly like this. After commenting that it was a bad opening, he stopped himself and said the biggest challenge when facing non-serious openings is... to take them seriously. So he would try to focus and play his best. He said some of these people know better, but they do it on purpose for the psychology of it.

So it's something that can throw all of us off.

What video was this? I'm wanting to view too to learn and see the game

Go_Go_Gadget_Rook

I’m glad I found this post!

I’ve been playing against a player who seems to employ the “bring out all my pawns” strategy all the time.

Aaaaaaarrrggh!

So far I’ve not lost against her, but it’s annoying as F@@k!!