Are Chess Players Introvert?

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Ruby-Fischer
Mandy711 wrote:

Among famous GMs, I only can think of Kasparov as non-introvert. He is comfortable speaking to interviewers and audience. And he is even in politics.

It can be hard to tell. Im INTJ and can easily speak to an audience. Its not always about ability, its about preference.

Introverts can enjoy socializing, have plenty friends etc, but also need space. Extroverts dont need space, they want people around them most of the time.

Thats the difference I think?

Divyang_shah

yes, this can be possible but not always.

Ruby-Fischer
Divyang_shah wrote:

yes, this can be possible but not always.

No, it probably depends upon the degree of introversion and the intelligence/ motivation to force yourself to do things that dont come naturally.

I suppose my point is that its often difficult to tell from outward appearances if someone is introverted. In Kasparov's case he could be either.

LiteDave

Thanks for the topic/forum.  Seems important and i'm definitely introverted.  Hope the following doesn't seem off topic:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/08/05/an-introverts-office-surv_n_3670946.html

Elubas

Introversion often leads to shyness, and certainly correlates with it, but in itself introversion is just a general preference, on average, for being alone, or in small groups. So it is conceivable that some introverts would be fine speaking publicly, but simply would rather spend their free time doing solitary activities.

One way it was put is that introverts can feel "drained" when in very social situations like parties for hours, and refresh by having some alone time. Extroverts are the opposite -- solitude makes them feel drained and they socialize to feel more energized.

shepi13

Most players on the other thread linked in page one were INTP it seemed, with a few others (notably I noticed quite a few ISTJ's as well).

I am extremely INT (> 90% in all 3 categories), and sligtly more percieving than judging, so am also an INTP!

Elubas

This is probably because I just don't understand the letters too much, but I generally feel like an INTP, yet on these tests I always score INTJ. I thought of INTP's as people who can get lost in deep (perhaps philosophical) thought, which is basically me, but, again, I always come up INTJ. Based on the wikipedia entries INTJ seems reasonably accurate for me, yet INTP really seems right on. Perhaps INTP's are more like people who like to just think about the essence of a problem, without  being as concerned with making a plan. I do like to plan when trying to solve tasks, so maybe that's where the J comes in.

After looking around a bit, I think I have a fair amount of both. I often procrastinate, and enjoy the process of doing things, not just the end result. That's more of a P thing, yet for goals I want to achieve (e.g., chess improvement)  I like to make thorough plans, which is more of a J thing. Yet, although I like to plan things out, I often don't find myself physically writing them down, or making lists in general, but instead just abstractly visualizing the plan/strategy in my head.

zborg

Shares of I to E in the general population are about 20 percent to 80 percent.

Most likely it's a bit higher (for introverts) among chess players.

But that's hardly an earth shattering revelation.  Smile

DrCheckevertim

I'm a strange person, I rarely fall under one specific category and my ways of "doing and being" tend to fluctuate. I'd say that overall I'm an INTJ -- but -- I do have my streaks of (E)xtraversion instead of (I)ntroversion. Also, I can be strongly (F)eeling instead of (T)hinking, or even P(erceiving) instead of J(udging). My only strong unbalance is toward i(N)tuitive rather than (S)ensory.  Embarassed

 

But yeah, if you think about it, it makes sense that chess players tend to be more introverted than extraverted. It is a game played in quiet, and demands a lot of stillness, thinking, and focus. Of course, this is not a rule or absolute truth.

 

By the way, I was not being too serious about my earlier comments in this thread. Though it might make for a fun forum topic.

MrDamonSmith

Yes.

VULPES_VULPES

I know I am!

Ruby-Fischer
zborg wrote:

Shares of I to E in the general population is about 20 percent to 80 percent.

Most likely it's a bit higher (for introverts) among chess players.

But that's hardly an earth shattering revelation.  

Thats an interesting statistic Z. Where is it from? I wouldnt have thought that would be the case.

Ruby-Fischer
DrCheckevertim wrote:

I'm a strange person, I rarely fall under one specific category and my ways of "doing and being" tend to fluctuate. I'd say that overall I'm an INTJ -- but -- I do have my streaks of (E)xtraversion instead of (I)ntroversion. Also, I can be strongly (F)eeling instead of (T)hinking, or even P(erceiving) instead of J(udging). My only strong unbalance is toward i(N)tuitive rather than (S)ensory. 

 

But yeah, if you think about it, it makes sense that chess players tend to be more introverted than extraverted. It is a game played in quiet, and demands a lot of stillness, thinking, and focus. Of course, this is not a rule or absolute truth.

 

By the way, I was not being too serious about my earlier comments in this thread. Though it might make for a fun forum topic.

I think thats true of a lot of people. Just did a test and it now seems I am an ambivert..  Not heard of that before, but I guess it makes some sense.

http://warriorwriters.wordpress.com/2013/04/23/the-myth-about-introverts-extroverts-could-you-be-an-ambivert/

zborg
Ruby-Fischer wrote:
zborg wrote:

Shares of I to E in the general population is about 20 percent to 80 percent.

Most likely it's a bit higher (for introverts) among chess players.

But that's hardly an earth shattering revelation.  

Thats an interesting statistic Z. Where is it from? I wouldnt have thought that would be the case.

And 75 percent of men are "Thinkers," while 75 percent of women are "Feelers."

Lots of "Sensors" in the Armed Forces.  Lot's of "Intuitives" in the Strategic Services, like MI5.  No kidding.

My partner (Donna) is a certified Myers-Briggs Trainer.  I had to learn it to "protect myself," so to speak.  Smile

There are tons of books on it, but stay away from anything that smacks of more that 16 types, it gets too "crazy complicated" at that level.

Natalia_Pogonina

Saw a relevant quote by Alexander Grischuk today:

In general chess players do have a tendency towards autism, and for some it's bordering on a mental disorder.

StevenBailey13
DrCheckevertim wrote:

Extroverted players play e4.

Introverted players play d4.

And insane people play c4.

Mandy711
Natalia_Pogonina wrote:

Saw a relevant quote by Alexander Grischuk today:

In general chess players do have a tendency towards autism, and for some it's bordering on a mental disorder.

Bad news Foot in Mouth

sapientdust
Natalia_Pogonina wrote:

Saw a relevant quote by Alexander Grischuk today:

In general chess players do have a tendency towards autism, and for some it's bordering on a mental disorder.

Yep, confirmed on chess.com members in this thread [results].

Chemwong

As Elubas mentioned, the final letter of J or P in INTJ/INTP puzzles me and questionaire usually gives both results for me. Perhaps it would be useful for me to recheck or take a deep thought.

DrCheckevertim

Nah that's ok. Same for me.

Also T/F seems to go both ways for me.

I mean, is there even a need for both T/F and J/P?

They seem very similar (in other words, T = J and F = P)

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