Are some people just naturally bad at chess?

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IMKeto

Its all about perspective. 

This kid used to show up on Fridays where 3 of us taught chess to kids.  This kid knew how the pieces moved, and that was it.  Everything with him was "Im the worst chess player in the world"  "I never win a game"

One night i asked him.  "Do you know hoe many people their are in the world?"

He didnt know.

I said about 7.5 billion people.  I then asked him if he knew how many of them know how to play

chess?

Again, he didn't know.

I told him, roughly 700 million. 

He said so what. 

I said:  "You are already better at chess than 6.8 billion people."

That was all it took, and he started enjoying the game.

ayoub10i
m_connors a écrit :

Yes, there is a limit for everyone's ability. Perhaps it would be better to say some people are better or naturally good? Not everyone can run a mile in under a minute no matter how hard they train; not everyone will excel in advanced mathematics no matter how much they study; and not everyone will reach 1400, 1500 or beyond no matter how much they play and study. That's just life . . .

I'am sorry but I simply do not agree

if someone study chess and really tries to improve he will improve and he will go beyond 1400 and 1500.

if course there is limit but for a simple human being with average IQ (or slightly below average ) he should at least reach 1900 points rating with HARD WORK of course

(this is my personal estimation)

 

Ziryab

Some people are bad at all kinds of things. Most are simply stupid.

As for chess skill, there are innumerable mental errors that stifle ability.

I remember analyzing a game between two D Class players (under 1400 USCF) one night at my local chess club. I was going over the game with one of the players, looking at what should have been played. The other stopped by to note what did happen. He had no interest in what might have happened. He had no interest in the truth of the position.

Both players are past their prime. The one who cares only what did happen has been an active player since his teen years. This is his USCF rating graph. It reveals that he will never rise to the level of average.

The other player became an active tournament player in his late 40s. This is his graph. It shows promise, but the late start has been a hindrance. 

lewis_shepherd

I'm not that good, but a lot of my opponents are worse. They're just absolute idiots because they always blunder rooks to my bishop (once they move their same square bishop out of the way to get a pawn) I was once a 551 rapid due to this, but now I've gone down because I've had better opponents.

pcwildman

Everyone is naturally bad at chess.

blueemu
pcwildman wrote:

Everyone is naturally bad at chess.

This.

We're ALL patzers. Every one of us.

mahcnifekul_22
IMKeto wrote:

Its all about perspective. 

This kid used to show up on Fridays where 3 of us taught chess to kids.  This kid knew how the pieces moved, and that was it.  Everything with him was "Im the worst chess player in the world"  "I never win a game"

One night i asked him.  "Do you know hoe many people their are in the world?"

He didnt know.

I said about 7.5 billion people.  I then asked him if he knew how many of them know how to play

chess?

Again, he didn't know.

I told him, roughly 700 million. 

He said so what. 

I said:  "You are already better at chess than 6.8 billion people."

That was all it took, and he started enjoying the game.

this is great

PlayByDay

For everyone who love to use the "but some people play 10 - 20x more games and don't improve, isn't that the gLaSs cEiLiNg?!" when talking about chess, try this exercise: shoot some hoops (you throw ball into baseball basket). But do it like most people who are standing still with their chess rating, instead of readjusting direction and strength just throw without thinking. Do you get better or not with time? Now do it like it would be natural for anyone throwing ball with adjusting your throw after each throw. Does that give you higher score after some time when you have corrected your misstakes?

Well, most people who play don't correct the misstakes they make in chess. They don't analyze their game to find what they did wrong, they don't write it down instead of hoping to remember it until next game when same situation repeat and they don't spend time on puzzles connecting to those situation to drill those weaknesses away. I know I don't even though I can lay out the whole algorithm for how to do it.

medelpad
I mean we don’t all start at the same rating, some of us are immediately as high as like 900-1000 while some start as low as 100. Also some people learn slower than other
TheRealBlueSwan

I think I have decent innate chess skills. I joined this site in 2018 having really played very little chess over the years. Like maybe a couple of games a year on average. I immediately upon joining had a rating of sligthly above 1300. Now 6 years later having played lots of games and having achieved a puzzle rating of over 3200, my blitz rating is slightly below 1300.

In other words, I have seemingly not improved at all in 6 years with lots of playing and puzzling. Granted, being close to 50 definitely has something to do with it, but it is somewhat disappointing given how little it took for me to get to 1300.

Ziryab

Over 3200 in puzzles is impressive. You obviously know some patterns and can calculate.

TheRealBlueSwan
Ziryab skrev:

Over 3200 in puzzles is impressive. You obviously know some patterns and can calculate.

You'd think so, but somehow I still suck at actually playing the game.

Ziryab

Maybe you play too fast.

Have you ever played OTB?

TheRealBlueSwan
Ziryab skrev:

Maybe you play too fast.

Have you ever played OTB?

Yeah, definitely play too fast and too many stupid gambits, LOL. Also I have no patience for endgames. I need to win in the middle game or I WILL find a way to lose the endgame. Before I joined chess.com, my limited experience with chess was OTB.

Stockfishdot1

Everyone's brains are wired differently. Some have better observation skills than others. Some have extraordinary memories and are able to recall information very quickly. Although we can improve through learning and experience, genetics is going to play a huge role in our capabilities.

ChessMasteryOfficial

Celebrating small victories and finding enjoyment in the learning process can make the journey more fulfilling for players at any level.

AnAvidConsumerOfSand
kozi11 wrote:

I think it is completely based on how much a person wants to learn. I have been playing consistently for about a year, I learned some basic principles but that was it. I hovered around 875-915 the whole time. I thought If I played enough games with similarly rated players my rating would rise, but that isn't the case. I started doing tactics and playing stronger players and now my rating jumped to 1030 in 1 month. Wasn't even that hard. I want to be 1500 by my birthday in April. Wish me luck.

why are you not 1500 yet