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fernandobtn

This is a part of an interview made recently in cuba to Karpov, who has visited the country. I will translate it.

 

—¿Considera usted que debe haber diferencias de sexos en los torneos de ajedrez?

—Sí. Primeramente porque los hombres juegan más que las mujeres. Además, el ajedrez necesita una fuerte concentración y los varones tienen mayor resistencia.

—Entonces, ¿no cree que las féminas puedan estar al mismo nivel que los hombres?

—Esto solo sucederá cuando ellas logren correr a la misma velocidad que los hombres. Algunas mujeres juegan muy bien, de forma excelente, como Judit Polgar. Pero ya le digo, el ajedrez exige una gran concentración.

 19 de abril de 2008 00:40:00 GMT

To english:

Q -Do you think that there should be sex diferences in tournaments?

Karpov - Yes, because man play better than woman. Besides, chess requiers a lot of concentration, and males have more resistence.

Q- So, you don't belive women can play in the same level as man?

Karpov - This will only hapen when they can run as fast as man. Some of them can play realy well, but I tell you, chess needs a lot of concentration.

                                                                     19th of april, etc...

 

(I don't have time to translate the entire enterview now, but if any one wants it, just ask and I'll see what I can do. It's in my mail, so I can forward it to any one in spanish also)

 

 

Well.... I just wanted to add this comment by such a renomated player to a discution that probably is going on since this forum was created.

I tend to dissagree, but then again, who am I to disagree with Karpov. I want some other of you to comment to.


fernandobtn

Errata: ... Some of them play realy well, LIKE JUDIT POLGAR, but I tell you...

 

sorry... forgot that in the translation.


MapleDanish

Si' mano's playo bettero thano womeno in generalo

 

Translation - Yeah, men play better than women in general.

 

:P 


neneko
I play better than men in general.
Azoth

a pitty you can't sort by sex here in chess.com it would be amusing to look how many high ranked womans (1900+) we have here.

An about the article i saw a similar one a few months ago on the ChessBase Magazine


DarthTron
The FIDE championship is not gender biased...women are allowed to enter, and if one of them was strong enough, she could win.  The fact that this hasn't happened leads to a more prosaic debate.  Correlation vs. Causation becomes the question.
KillaBeez
Men have the mind for chess, but that does not stop women from being good at it too.
TonightOnly
fernandobtn wrote:

—¿Considera usted que debe haber diferencias de sexos en los torneos de ajedrez?

—Sí. Primeramente porque los hombres juegan más que las mujeres. Además, el ajedrez necesita una fuerte concentración y los varones tienen mayor resistencia.

—Entonces, ¿no cree que las féminas puedan estar al mismo nivel que los hombres?

—Esto solo sucederá cuando ellas logren correr a la misma velocidad que los hombres. Algunas mujeres juegan muy bien, de forma excelente, como Judit Polgar. Pero ya le digo, el ajedrez exige una gran concentración.


Q -Do you think that there should be sex diferences in tournaments?

Karpov - Yes, because man play better than woman. Besides, chess requiers a lot of concentration, and males have more resistence.

Q- So, you don't belive women can play in the same level as man?

Karpov - This will only hapen when they can run as fast as man. Some of them can play realy well, but I tell you, chess needs a lot of concentration.


 This is a mediocre translation. The most important oversight in this translation is the fact that you have quoted Karpov as saying explicitly that men play better than women. What he said was that men play more than women, and that this is the main reason for their dominance of the sport.


TheOldReb
Face it folks.....men and women are NOT equal in everything. I know this doesnt sit well with all the PC types but thats too bad, its still the facts.
MapleDanish
Reb wrote: Face it folks.....men and women are NOT equal in everything. I know this doesnt sit well with all the PC types but thats too bad, its still the facts.

 Hear, Hear!


TonightOnly

An improved translation:

 

Q - Do you think that there should be sex differences in chess tournaments?

Karpov - Yes. Firstly, because men play more than women. Also, chess requires strong concentration, and males have better mental endurance.

 

Q - So, you don't believe that women can be at the same level as men?

Karpov - This will only happen when they manage to run as fast as men. Some women play very well, like Judit Polgar. But as I told you, chess demands a great deal of concentration.

 


TonightOnly

"This will only happen when they manage to run as fast as men."

 

What I think Karpov was getting at is that there are some things that, for whatever reasons, women will never do as well as men. There are some things that women will always be able to do better than men, but chess is just one of those things that will probably always be male dominated. 

 

I personally think that this is much more because of the popularity amongst men and much less about the mental differences.

 

But that's just my opinion... 


neneko
This topic is really worn out by now. Yes men in general are better at chess. There are also more dark haired GMs than blonde ones. Naturally this needs to be pointed out as well as this is just as important.
PeaceMakerZero

It shouldn't matter.

Chess is universal in many capacities, and gender should not make any sort of difference. Pardon my saying, but screw the statistics; chess strength and skill is based upon individual character - not stereotypical analysis of various groups, races, and gender.

It is foolish for anyone to establish a sense of superiority over any such instance involving human differences.


Azoth
AnthonyCG wrote: Azoth wrote:

a pitty you can't sort by sex here in chess.com it would be amusing to look how many high ranked womans (1900+) we have here.


Sounds like a good idea for a vote chess game Eric.

 Bring it on!


stormcrown

Tijaro, everything you said is refuted by evidence.

My personal take is that men invented chess for men to play, and they fashioned a game that stresses mens' brains - how else to separate the men from the boys!  So it isn't that men are smarter somehow, it's that men are better at playing a specific game that has been continuously honed for 500 years to be challenging for men.

 "It is foolish for anyone to establish a sense of superiority over any such instance involving human differences."

That's what Monday night football, boxing, ice skating, and synchronized swimming are all about.  Competition.  We honor the winners with our devotion, money, trophies, and so forth.

 


alantringuyen
Oh boyLaughing What a funny show :)) I hardly ever see a woman play chess but if there is one who is good at chess, then why not?? It is not the problem with equality but the potential because men suck at other stuff (like petershaby said) That's draw after all!!
alantringuyen
There is nothing to defend.
PeaceMakerZero
stormcrown wrote:

Tijaro, everything you said is refuted by evidence.

My personal take is that men invented chess for men to play, and they fashioned a game that stresses mens' brains - how else to separate the men from the boys!  So it isn't that men are smarter somehow, it's that men are better at playing a specific game that has been continuously honed for 500 years to be challenging for men.

 "It is foolish for anyone to establish a sense of superiority over any such instance involving human differences."

That's what Monday night football, boxing, ice skating, and synchronized swimming are all about.  Competition.  We honor the winners with our devotion, money, trophies, and so forth.

 


I was talking about sexism, "Storm", not your interpretation of what you like to watch on Monday night TV.

Think before you write; it is wrong to think in terms of generalization of men being superior to women or vis versa in any capacity (it is wrong to view any human being superior to another, really). We are all human beings separated only by individual qualities and it those individual qualities that differentiate chess players - not gender.


neneko

stormcrown, Please show me that evidence. Tijaro said exactly what I think about this, the whole thing is pointless. You can show with statistics that men are generally better than women at chess. What exactly does that mean? Does that mean that if I spend as much time playing chess as a guy he's going to be better than me? or does it mean that I have some sort of upper limit on my rating that I can't cross as female? No it doesn't prove either of those.

 

The statistics doesn't prove anything except that there are more men that's good at chess than women. That's why this is just as useful as making statistics over hair and eye colour compared to chess rating.

 

I could have sworn that the last person I won against was a guy.

 

Also as I mentioned before there are more dark haired GMs than blonde ones. Is this a solid proof that blonde people are worse at chess?