@pfren Could you please define "clean"? (On an intuitive level I'm sure you are right.)
Best chess game to show a newbie?
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fburton wrote:
@pfren Could you please define "clean"? (On an intuitive level I'm sure you are right.)
Without speaking for him, there's not a great amount of depth or hidden meaning to the moves. They have a very defined focus. He's trying to develop and attack.
You don't have to know subtle positional concepts to understand it.
For beginners? Greco and Morphy games. Devlop develop develop! Play in the center and have piece activity!
Or you could show a 90 move Smyslov game.
Go with the Morphy games. Be sure to stress to not sac 3 pieces unless they can calculate to mate.
Make a list of what NOT to do, then show them my games
Games of Morphy,Fishcer and Capablanca.
b0bnolan wrote:
Morphy's opera box game. Shows the importance of developing all your pieces.
Evergreen Game. For the nice finish.
Adams - Torre, New Orleans 1920 to teach deflection.
Agreed. I was going to post the Opera Box game, and knew someone would beat me to the punch.
Feb 12, 2015
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You are asking the wrong question. It isn't which ONE game should a beginner study, rather which game collection book should a beginner read. The answer to that question is any book that has a lot of verbal explanation of as many moves as possible. The best book of this kind is "Logical Chess: Move by Move" by Irving Chernev. Make sure you get the new algebraic edition.
EricFleet wrote:
b0bnolan wrote:
Morphy's opera box game. Shows the importance of developing all your pieces.
Evergreen Game. For the nice finish.
Adams - Torre, New Orleans 1920 to teach deflection.
Agreed. I was going to post the Opera Box game, and knew someone would beat me to the punch.
Damn !
I was going to mention the game that Paul Morphy played at the Paris Opera house against the Duke of Brunswick ( In consultation with Count Charles Isouard )......" the Opera box game"
...and yes...Adolf Andessen against J Dufresne..( The Evergreen Game ) is amazing
And Don't forget the "Game of the Century"...Donald Byrne against a thirteen year-old Bobby Fischer
Feb 12, 2015
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pfren wrote:
Morphy's Opera game is a perfect start, just because it is a CLEAN game, understandable by anyone.
I agree, but am also fond of this game:
fburton wrote:
@pfren Could you please define "clean"? (On an intuitive level I'm sure you are right.)
The concepts are simple. Even my ten year old daughter who is just starting chess could understand the game and find most of the moves once I explained the position. Unlike modern GM games, the Opera Game had a few simple themes that provide the foundation for modern master level chess.
If you study a more modern game you will sometimes miss out on the foundation because so much has been built upon it and you must know so much theory to understand the ideas.
Morphy's games are a wonderful way to start learning chess and I'd highly recommend picking up an annotated book of his games.
lol. if ihe is a young magnus.
Your comment makes me want to play through the game again.
pfren wrote:
All you have to "explain" to a newbie in the Opera game is white's 8th move:
Why 8.Qxb7 lets Black escape with "just" a pawn less (white is winning, but the game has transposed to a technical ending, which is quite difficult to conduct properly),
and why 8.Bxf7+, according to the engines the best move, is quite unnecessary at practical play: Why enter a winning, yet complex tactical mess, while
8.Nc3!, as played by Morphy, is both simple and principled?
A real newbie learning the rules has to start with the fools mate. Morphy, Lasker, Petrov, Greco, Anderssen, Steinitz, all need preparation. There are tons of great gamed. And all have a lot under the surface. In my courses I mix studies with games.
XPLAYERJX wrote:
Well if your going to show the EverGreen Game with the bishops lol don't leave out the lol knight's lol
Octopus Knight Game
Alternatively...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRmT4pnzD9I
(GM Yasser Seirawan analyzing the game with/for a beginner/club level audience at St Louis Chess Club.)
I agree with hpmobil. A reminder of the original brief:
"What is the best game to show to a newbie? What is the greatest game ever? Or should one do something else completely with chess newbie? How do you demonstrate the awesomeness of chess?"
What is not being asked for here is games that will improve a newbie's play (although that may well become appropriate soon enough). By asking for "games", it is assumed the newbie already knows the moves.
Can someone put a link to Nimzowitch's immortal zugzwang? I want to see that game.
owltuna wrote:
Ok, that was my first attempt at posting a game under Version 3. There are some serious problems. First, that game is real, it is Gibaud-Lazard, Paris, 1924. The game details did not take. When I went back to edit the board and put in the details, all the moves were gone, it was a starting position with no moves, no details, nothing. Oh boy there is some work to do here!
Actually, it's not real. http://timkr.home.xs4all.nl/records/records.htm
http://en.chessbase.com/post/edward-winters-che-explorations-99-210613
Feb 13, 2015
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owltuna wrote:
ofircohen16 wrote:
Child_Krishna wrote:
I just gave a "chess lesson" where I showed the moves of Fischer vs. Spassky (1972), game 3, to a chess newbie. It went alright. What is the best game to show to a newbie? What is the greatest game ever? Or should one do something else completely with chess newbie? How do you demonstrate the awesomeness of chess?
So you are the same rating as me, and you give people chess lessons? That's saddening, I wouldn't want my teacher to be as mediocre as me or you.
So nobody should ever teach anyone how to play chess unless they are at least an expert? I don't quite like that idea.
I was a C-Class player when I started coaching kids. I'm much stronger now, but still no expert.
Most of these kids are more likely to draw KQ v. K than win it. Anyone with this skill can teach it.
Some of my private students beat me on occasion and are nearing the time when they will need a master level coach.
I think there's a lot of benefit for beginners learning miniatures. My own chess skill developed from non-existent to being albe to beat everyone in my circle of acquaintances mostly through study of short games.
I worte about this transformation at some length in http://chessskill.blogspot.com/2012/03/my-first-chess-book.html. Both the game that I posted and the fictive game posted by owltuna are in the Chernev classic. John Nunn, 101 Brilliant Chess Miniatures has better quality modern games.
Chess for Dummies is actually supposed to be an excellent first book for beginners that can be used up to 1400 rating supposedly. The student can skip over the parts about how the pieces move if desired. I'm wondering if it might have some instructive introdcutory games.