Beware chess makes you fat!.

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Tnk64ChessCourse
AtahanT wrote:
thechessvids wrote:

Carbohydrates have a tendency to be low GI when they are not processed.Unless your dumb enough to eat white breads and rices, most have a very low GI. Also, dietist is not a word. Dietician is a word. Seriously, according to your logic, humans must not have eaten bread before the 1980's, when obesity became a major problem. 


Since the 1980s carbs have been highly processed and in combination with fear of fat and introduction of fat-free products. The fear of fat and the unnessary amount of carb consumption has made us fat, yes. Besides, there were also fat people before 1980s anyways.


Just don't eat white bread. All other grains are generally low GI and Grains remain at the bottom of the food pyramid.

wealybin
 even own a TV... in fact you can come to my house, we'll play chess.''

 Going from Wales to America, (just for a game of chess and an inspection to check and see if you really are a 65 kilo American, who has not got a gun and doesn't even have a television) is a bit extreme in my opinion. Maybe a two hour drive but a six hour plane journey...that is crazy for so many reasons:

1. bad for the environment

2. very expensive

3. It would be lot simpler to have a game through chess.com and send Beast a picture or something!

theoreticalboy
AtahanT wrote:
tngerb wrote:

I have no idea about these diets, fortunately i lack much of an appepite, but i have to agree that one-sided diets are not healthy. If someone is telling you that bread, pasta, and potatos are bad for you and a lot of fat is healthy then clearly they are wrong... give me a break. Stop eating bread and start chugging vegetable oil? good idea!


Clearly?

Tell me what did human kind eat for 200.000 years before pasta and bread and potatoes?

History holds the obvious answer and it is not what you think.


Yeah people, follow the course of history; hunt down animals and obtain your dream life expectancy of 32!

AtahanT
theoreticalboy wrote:
AtahanT wrote:
tngerb wrote:

I have no idea about these diets, fortunately i lack much of an appepite, but i have to agree that one-sided diets are not healthy. If someone is telling you that bread, pasta, and potatos are bad for you and a lot of fat is healthy then clearly they are wrong... give me a break. Stop eating bread and start chugging vegetable oil? good idea!


Clearly?

Tell me what did human kind eat for 200.000 years before pasta and bread and potatoes?

History holds the obvious answer and it is not what you think.


Yeah people, follow the course of history; hunt down animals and obtain your dream life expectancy of 32!


You seriously think that the life expectancy was low because of what they ate? Do you really think that our bodies are not adjusted to mainly fat/protein rich food like meat after eating it for 200.000 years or more?

You're brilliant :-)

philidorposition
AtahanT wrote:
theoreticalboy wrote:
AtahanT wrote:
tngerb wrote:

I have no idea about these diets, fortunately i lack much of an appepite, but i have to agree that one-sided diets are not healthy. If someone is telling you that bread, pasta, and potatos are bad for you and a lot of fat is healthy then clearly they are wrong... give me a break. Stop eating bread and start chugging vegetable oil? good idea!


Clearly?

Tell me what did human kind eat for 200.000 years before pasta and bread and potatoes?

History holds the obvious answer and it is not what you think.


Yeah people, follow the course of history; hunt down animals and obtain your dream life expectancy of 32!


You seriously think that the life expectancy was low because of what they ate? Do you really think that our bodies are not adjusted to mainly fat/protein rich food like meat after eating it for 200.000 years or more?

You're brilliant :-)


I think you have a misconception about evolution. The human body and the way humans eat back then were enough for human beings to survive in the environment, in the various conditions that surrounded them and that's it. It's by no means necessarily ideal. Bodies don't "adjust" perfectly to those conditions.

theoreticalboy

Not a fact, no, just a joke crying out to be made!

Goppew

don't diss the chess dude

cubis

First of all... you do need carbs. But not simple sugars, complex carbohydrates. Simple sugars are bad. 

Input/Output, with variables thrown in depending on what you eat - some foods boost metabolism, some foods increase fat storage, some foods make you poop your pants. Of course some foods are bad, but you can't say not to have any carbohydrates. Carbs give you energy, but you have to actually USE that energy if you want to prevent fat gain. 

Why is it that marathon runners don't eat a 2 lb steak before they run? Why all the pasta?

And about your theory of humans not being fat back then... uh, its called not being able to eat consistently. Sometimes people had to go days without eating, spending any energy they did have trying to eat. 

Eat right and exercise so that calories burned exceeds calories consumed: the only safe way to lose weight. 

Starving yourself and sitting down all day might work for some people, but it doesn't mean they're healthy.

AtahanT
cubis wrote:

First of all... you do need carbs. But not simple sugars, complex carbohydrates. Simple sugars are bad. 

 

Why is it that marathon runners don't eat a 2 lb steak before they run? Why all the pasta?


1. No you do not need carbs to live.

2. There actually is a swedish triathlon athlete named Jonas Colting that is NOT eating "all that pasta" because he is doing just fine not eating it and doing well with his training. You're simply wrong about this. You can train just as hard as anyone else without all those carbs once you've adjusted to the ketosis (takes 2-3 weeks).

I do know both these facts are not even (quite pathetic actually) known by many diaticions, doctors and people in general because they have all been taught the "you need carbs"-bull since they were born and refuse to even listen or give it a try. There are no studies whatsoever that say you need to eat carbs to stay healthy. In fact it is the opposite. Studies often show carbs are in many way responsible for the overweight problem of the western countries. Is that so strange? Look at what our food mainly consists of today. Carbs. Don't get me wrong, it's ok to eat carbs but you do not need several hundred grams of carbs per meal, which is not uncommon today.

So where did this crap about carbs come from? Ancel Keys who said fat is dangerous and published a study. Problem was that he forged the data. Look it up on wiki. True story. Before it was refuted unfortunately many people took this as the truth and didn't look back.

I thought I'd share this because it has helped me and people around me. If you don't want to listen nor part with your beer-belly, that's your choice.

Cystem_Phailure
AtahanT wrote: . . . You're simply wrong about this . . . I do know both these facts are not even (quite pathetic actually) known by many diaticions, doctors and people in general . . . If you don't want to listen nor part with your beer-belly, that's your choice.

Ah, you're back!  Now you can answer my question that you apparently didn't see in post #69.  At what hospital or university do you perform your nutritional studies and research that has allowed you to become so snotty and dismissive of all other research results except the one you keep repeating?

cubis

Well, I was actually talking about the dinner they have the day before the run. A heavy carb intake helps prevent your body from eating away at your muscles. Notice: I NEVER SAID ANYWHERE that we're supposed to eat a lot of carbs OR that we need them to live.  

I like how you ignored everything else I said :)

And I totally adore your personal attack on my "beer-belly", uninformed as it is.  <3

As I said before, there are good carbs and bad carbs, and there is also good fat and bad fat, good cholesterol, bad cholesterol, etc etc etc. You seem to imply I should buy a tub of lard and cover all my meat and cheese with it to lose weight, and that we can eat as much of it as we want without fearing weight gain.  

Eat the good stuff, and minimize your intake of all foods.

Dr. Atkins died obese. Its not a magical fool-proof system, just like all other diets.

 

Besides, different body types and other factors also contribute to it.

 

That said, I'd like to point out that I don't eat a ton of carbs.

noname555

I agree with masteryoda

Gustavo_Paz

I don't know Americans are mostly fat because they are lazy. Most of the ones I know don't even know the rules of chess, hell they think that checkers is the highest level of strategy a game can reach.

As to chess making people fat all the chess players I know are thin, mostly because they follow the ideology that you need a fit body for a fit mind. So in my experience chess promotes good health and good habits.

Conquistador

Well, Michigan seems to be a great representative of the U.S.

Home to the #1 most obese city in the nation, Detroit.  Yeah baby!

Home to 22% unemployment because people are too lazy to work and would rather live on welfare.  Yeah baby!

Home to the least intelligent people on average in the nation due to the Brain drain.  Yeah baby!

Home to the worst drivers I have ever seen.  Everyday I see someone run a red light, stop sign, and people do not like to use turn signals.  Not to mention that they are like squirrels and wait to you get close to them before they pull out.  Yeah baby!

Home to the worst economy and the most taxes anywhere.  You can have a city tax, state tax, single business tax, taxes in gas, taxes on milk.  Name it and we have made a tax on it.  We even made a tax on a tax.  Yeah baby!

We did have gas going for $4.65 a gallon at one point.  Yeah baby!

We take in garbage from neighboring states and Canada and our landfills will be completely filled by the end of the decade.  Yeah baby!

We have enough licenses on things to cover your windshield.  Yeah baby!

Home to the Upers

Your cars desinagrate after five years because so much salt is on the road.

Our state flower is the orange construction barrel.  Yeah baby!

Our roads are in some of the worst shapes you will ever find.  You can lose a tire in a few of the holes in the world.

Did I mention there is snow?

zxb995511
Conquiscador wrote:

Well, Michigan seems to be a great representative of the U.S.

Home to the #1 most obese city in the nation, Detroit.  Yeah baby!

Home to 22% unemployment because people are too lazy to work and would rather live on welfare.  Yeah baby!

Home to the least intelligent people on average in the nation due to the Brain drain.  Yeah baby!

Home to the worst drivers I have ever seen.  Everyday I see someone run a red light, stop sign, and people do not like to use turn signals.  Not to mention that they are like squirrels and wait to you get close to them before they pull out.  Yeah baby!

Home to the worst economy and the most taxes anywhere.  You can have a city tax, state tax, single business tax, taxes in gas, taxes on milk.  Name it and we have made a tax on it.  We even made a tax on a tax.  Yeah baby!

We did have gas going for $4.65 a gallon at one point.  Yeah baby!

We take in garbage from neighboring states and Canada and our landfills will be completely filled by the end of the decade.  Yeah baby!

We have enough licenses on things to cover your windshield.  Yeah baby!

Home to the Upers

Your cars desinagrate after five years because so much salt is on the road.

Our state flower is the orange construction barrel.  Yeah baby!

Our roads are in some of the worst shapes you will ever find.  You can lose a tire in a few of the holes in the world.

Did I mention there is snow?


 Sounds like a charming place to live.

kco

"Yeah Baby !" how do you know all this and you are from Miami ?

Cystem_Phailure
Conquiscador wrote:  Your cars desinagrate after five years because so much salt is on the road.

I'm driving a 17-year-old Camry that's still in one piece and runs like a top!

Did you post your topic to the correct thread?  It doesn't seem to have much to do with anything that has been discussed in the past 5 pages

smileative

I like ice-cream at least once every two months Laughing

AtahanT
Cystem_Phailure wrote:
AtahanT wrote: . . . You're simply wrong about this . . . I do know both these facts are not even (quite pathetic actually) known by many diaticions, doctors and people in general . . . If you don't want to listen nor part with your beer-belly, that's your choice.

Ah, you're back!  Now you can answer my question that you apparently didn't see in post #69.  At what hospital or university do you perform your nutritional studies and research that has allowed you to become so snotty and dismissive of all other research results except the one you keep repeating?


Why would I need that? I know ordinary food makes me fat but low carb food does not. There are no valid studies at all that show any risks of eating low carb. Why should I eat "normal" food? Personal experience and evolution is proof enough for me. It just saddens me that there are so many people that want to be helped but refuse to even try it before they make up their mind. Instead choosing to listen to the ineffective advice most doctors give them (excecise like mad and dont touch fat! = you fail to keep your weight down). Excersice is good but it does not solve all your problems, many people need to adjust their diet aswell.

AtahanT
cubis wrote:

 Notice: I NEVER SAID ANYWHERE that we're supposed to eat a lot of carbs OR that we need them to live.  

As I said before, there are good carbs and bad carbs, and there is also good fat and bad fat, good cholesterol, bad cholesterol, etc etc etc. You seem to imply I should buy a tub of lard and cover all my meat and cheese with it to lose weight, and that we can eat as much of it as we want without fearing weight gain.  

 

Besides, different body types and other factors also contribute to it.

 

That said, I'd like to point out that I don't eat a ton of carbs.


You said we need carbs. It's not true that you lose muscles if you don't eat enough carbs while using your muscles. Muscles need protein to refresh, not carbs. The body also does not lose muscle mass as long as it is not starving. The body is not in starvation mode as long as it has calories, no matter form.

Yes, slower carbs are better.

You're wrong about cholesterol, that is exactly what Ancel Keys faked. There are no studies that show any real correlation between health problems and high intake of fat.

Yes different people need different amounts. Some people do fine eating 100g carbs a day and some people need to cut down more to not gain weight. This is individual.

Ok so you don't eat alot of carbs like many do. Good, then you're doing fine.