Blindfold chess

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RoderickGorbyFSU

Hello, 
This is my first blindfold game against tchess pro on the iPad in about 2 months.  I love blindfold chess.  Please don't analyze the game for accuracy...  I'm sure it will just upset you:)  I set tchess pro on a low level, 1200, and play against it.  My aim is to play multiple games, but it's really challenging at the moment.
Benedictine

I don't know how you manage it (same with all other blindfold players) I can't 'see' the board in my head at all. At best I can manage the first 5 or 6 moves, but even then the diagonals are confused. Is there a way to train yourself into this? I would like to be able to do it. I think the skill would come in very handy when reading though chess books for one thing.

RoderickGorbyFSU

Hi, Benedictine!

I was drawn to blindfold chess, at first, because I thought it would help me to calculate while sitting at the board, and I think it's helpful in other ways as you mentioned, being able to read through chess books, or to follow moves of a game when grandmasters start just tossing out variations.  And, like you're saying, I could only get so far into a game before I would forget where pieces were, etc...   

I could go on and on about how I've gotten to the point of being able to play through a complete game, but to just get you a few quick pointers:

1 before and after each side moves in the game, review the full pawn structure of the board.  You don't have to be able to do this in your head at first.  Make it a process like learning to ride a bike, gradually removing the training wheels.  Point to the squares where the pawns are as the game progresses.  After a while, you'll be able to do this 'visually'.

2 another idea is to play quiet openings.  In this game, I played the London system, which will permit a smooth development of the pieces.  The problem you frequently get out of this opening is that there's no advantage to speak of, but it's great for blindfold and blitz.

3 Once you get to the point of being able to exchange off pieces into an ending, just try to take all your opponent's pieces.  Don't try to mate right away.  I'd be a total hypocrite to just say that.  In this game, I went for a mate, got excited and forgot where my knight was.  But, it's better to be safe than to be a hero when you're first learning to to this, imho.

4 play against a machine that has a blindfold variant.  For the ipad and iphone there is tchess pro.  I also have the king arthur excalibur chess board which is available at the link below.  I started on level 1 with this machine and gradually grew to the point where I could play through to checkmate.

http://www.chess.com/eq/chess+computers/excalibur-king-arthur-chess-computer2

Best wishes, Benedictine.  Let me know how it goes!

RichColorado

That was a lot of move to remember, 87.

I played a game of Blincfold chess here on chess.com.

Here is the post:

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/fun-with-chess/blindfold-chess

How to improve your blindfold chess is here, but to learn without a computer:

http://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/blindfold-chess-play----memoir

                              Good luck

 

                              Blindfold

lizardbill

Playing blindfold is impressive, no doubt. I'd like to try it as well. I can see it would be helpful to perhaps try it in stages, perhaps first where you get to look at an empty board and the move list, then just the move list, then have the moves just called out to you.

Are there rules or standards of 'blindfoldness'? (What would Philidor do?? heh heh)

I seem to be able to remember (or at least recognize) tens of thousands of games I played years ago when I replay through the games. I'm sure most of us are like that, patterns get burned in your brain when you are focusing hard on the task. This seems related to the blindfold task.

Comments?

goldendog
lizardbill wrote:

Are there rules or standards of 'blindfoldness'? (What would Philidor do?? heh heh)


There are. For record attempts one shouldn't be able to consult move lists. Also, you can't use an aid like an empty board to stare at.

I always kept it "pure" and just closed my eyes and called out my moves, and had I announced an illegal one then I would have forfeited--and I applied the same rule to my opponent.

RoderickGorbyFSU

I agree, lizardbill.  Memory of past games certainly is related to the experience of blindfold chess.  I can remember after playing in some tournaments, 'seeing' the moves of a recent game play over and over in my mind.  It was a stretch, then, to be able to come up with new ideas especially when emerging from a familiar position.  In this next game I played, again against tChess pro at 1200, I used a different opening, and found myself really stuck early on.

There are schools of thought about the 'purity' of blindfoldness, though I like to seem them as stages in the development of blindfold chess ability.  Certainly, if you have a moves list, it's far easier to play, because at any point, you could say... "is that knight there?" and find the answer in the moves list.  On the other extreme end is the idea that you shouldn't be able to even see a chess board to play.  When I play real opponents, I usually do it this way.  But in order to practice, I need to use something that has a board.  I finally got to the point of playing complete games using the excalibur chess board.  I'd cover up the lcd portion with the board, and just memorize the game, as there was no move-list to refer to.  The only indication is the computer's last move is displayed until you input the move by pressing on the from and to squares.  Then, it vanishes, and after all your calculations, you have to remember that move!  So, it was easy to make the transition to pure blindfold.  tChess pro displays only the last move you and the computer have played.  
Here are the rules for the Amber blindfold chess tournament (just the rules that pertain to the mode of play)
from 
(scroll down to the bottom of the webpage for the source of the following)
Rules for the blindfold games
  1. Players are not allowed to record the moves..
  2. The monitor will show the players when the same position has appeared on the board three times or that the "50 moves rule" can be applied. In this case either player has the right to claim a draw.
  3. If a player makes an illegal move, the monitor will display the message: "Illegal move, make another move". In this case there is no need for additional action by the player.
CoconutTiger
i've impressed a lot of girls with blind chess at college..!! ;) i play blind while the girl plays with the board..(normal)
RoderickGorbyFSU

Nice!  That is my dream somedayAshwath!

Benedictine
RoderickGorby wrote:

Hi, Benedictine!

I was drawn to blindfold chess, at first, because I thought it would help me to calculate while sitting at the board, and I think it's helpful in other ways as you mentioned, being able to read through chess books, or to follow moves of a game when grandmasters start just tossing out variations.  And, like you're saying, I could only get so far into a game before I would forget where pieces were, etc...   

I could go on and on about how I've gotten to the point of being able to play through a complete game, but to just get you a few quick pointers:

1 before and after each side moves in the game, review the full pawn structure of the board.  You don't have to be able to do this in your head at first.  Make it a process like learning to ride a bike, gradually removing the training wheels.  Point to the squares where the pawns are as the game progresses.  After a while, you'll be able to do this 'visually'.

2 another idea is to play quiet openings.  In this game, I played the London system, which will permit a smooth development of the pieces.  The problem you frequently get out of this opening is that there's no advantage to speak of, but it's great for blindfold and blitz.

3 Once you get to the point of being able to exchange off pieces into an ending, just try to take all your opponent's pieces.  Don't try to mate right away.  I'd be a total hypocrite to just say that.  In this game, I went for a mate, got excited and forgot where my knight was.  But, it's better to be safe than to be a hero when you're first learning to to this, imho.

4 play against a machine that has a blindfold variant.  For the ipad and iphone there is tchess pro.  I also have the king arthur excalibur chess board which is available at the link below.  I started on level 1 with this machine and gradually grew to the point where I could play through to checkmate.

http://www.chess.com/eq/chess+computers/excalibur-king-arthur-chess-computer2

Best wishes, Benedictine.  Let me know how it goes!


 Thanks for the tips. I might also try looking at an empty board at first as someone else suggested, I thought about the same thing today so it was a coincidence seeing that suggestion. I think this would help greatly and then gradually move to the written moves then to the oral moves. I like the idea of picturing the pawn structure as well.

The main reason I want to do this is like you say and I suggested, when you are reading though books and then you get "and the game continued...moves 54-65 etc, etc... which is not that helpful or in reading varation sequences. It has also got to help your powers of calculation as well surely?

Thaks again, and keep up the impressive stuff.

goldendog

Some blindfold chess news:

When Miguel Najdorf played 45 guardian.co.uk on Chess" href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/chess">chess games simultaneously blindfold in São Paulo, Brazil, in 1947 the exhibition took over 23 hours, including an interval for Najdorf to change his perspiration-soaked shirt and rest his eyes. Later the Hungarian Janos Flesch played 52 games without sight of the board, but his claim unravelled because many opponents resigned after a few moves, and it seemed that Najdorf's performance would never be approached.

But last month a little-known 41-year-old 2300-rated German master, Marc Lang, toppled the record with 46 games in 21 hours. In previous years Lang set a German record, then broke George Koltanowski's historic European mark 0f 34 games played at Edinburgh in 1937. Lang spent several months preparing for the world attempt, taking time off from his computer business and seeing little of his family.

During the 21 hours at Sontheim in south Germany Lang sat in the same room as his opponents with a barrier which stopped him seeing his opponents' boards. He typed his moves on to a computer screen which showed only the latest move played, and at the end scored 75 per cent. Most of his opponents were rated under 1700, weak club standard, but they could all see the board.

All blindfold specialists use techniques to aid memory. Lang divided the games into groups of five, taking the black pieces on every fifth board. He gave each group a theme such as 1 Nc3 or 1 e4 and opened with the theme move in the first and last games of each group.

Past blindfold experts were mostly also great players in normal chess like Alexander Alekhine, Harry Pillsbury and Najdorf, so the question is how a journeyman master could surpass them. Lang may have been helped by typing his moves rather than announcing them verbally, he had 19 draws, while some opponents played feebly as in the two games below. Allowing for this, Najdorf and Alekhine gave more impressive performances – but in world records it is the total number of games that counts. The fact that Najdorf's landmark could be broken at Lang's first attempt suggests that the potential human level is higher still, perhaps now sparking interest from other contenders as occurred in the 1920s and 1930s.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2011/dec/30/chess-marc-lang-blindfold?newsfeed=true

RoderickGorbyFSU

Hey, thanks Goldendog!  This is really inspiring.  I know there must be a way to push the envelope to be better at this.  Thanks to this little forum, I've been practicing blindfold a little bit every day.

RoderickGorbyFSU
Hey guys.  Here are some of my more recent blindfold games.  Today, I played 2 simultaneous blindfold chess games.  It took 2 hours to get through both games.  I won on board 1, and a few moves later got into a hopelessly losing position on board 2.
On board 1 against the iPad-tChess pro rated at 1249.  It was a difficult game.  One of those games that just teeters on the edge for both sides.  Finally, my opponent made a mistake.
On board 2, on my iPhone, with tChess pro rated at 1256, I lost the following game.  I had just won on board one, when I forgot that the c1-h6 diagonal was so crucial.  I had strateically moved forward in my mind to the point that the 2 bishops had been exchanged, and it was knight against bad bishop.  Oh, well.  I'll never get those 2 hours back, but it was fun!
I really have trouble playing against french defense style set ups.  And this is one thing I've become certain of lately: in a blindfold game, just as in real chess, the better you know the opening, the better your results will be.  I took down my mental checklist for playing the two boards at once.  

look at (remember where) the pawn structure, then the pieces

then think of moves, not moves first

try to remember the overall character of the game before staring at the board

examine your side of the board after you make your move, see where all the pieces are in light of the move you made before looking at your opponent's move

in the opening go piece by piece across the back rank, being sure to make note of which knight is out.  Mentally saying to yourself 
"Queen's knight" or "king's knight" might help, too

Try to see the radius of motion of piece on new square, like the way a board lights up to show you the legal moves

then look for blocked movements by that piece, how far their long range stretches

 

before moving to the next board, sum up the position in a few descriptive, memorable words

double check after moving the piece, what is no longer defended etc…

count out loud things like "he has 2 pieces developed, I have one" etc… make very general statements, less specific and more specific , "he has the 2 bishops", "I have 2 knights he has 1" and so on

castling take very careful note of whose castled etc…  As soon as you castle, make that mental note, he hasn't castled yet.  if no castling, why not?  piece in the way? responding to or making early threats?

make note of undefended pieces

try not to calculate variations, instead focus on 1 move at a time.  When calculating variations, be sure to
"put pieces back", periodically.

recall the primary source of tension when going between boards.

it's nice if you can sum up your position with a single descriptive word'

Aim to connect the rooks.  Make 

beware of cognates positions between boards,  immediately dispel them with the differences.

 

RoderickGorbyFSU

i_adjust_your_rating

Irrelevant little anectode from my school times: at grade 11 we went on an excursion via bus. About 4 guys had magnetic chessboards with them. All played one single guy simultaneously - they saw the board, he did not. He won 3 games. The 4th we tried to cheat him by misplacing a knight, but he noticed! He turned out to become a GM some 10 odd years later and an IM after that. 

Bavid314

Good job coach!

Robert_New_Alekhine

an IM after a GM?

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