Bot or Players for practice?

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A_Holy_Crusader

I want to get good but I don't know if I should play agents bot of actual humans to get better?

Cha900yser3

If you have the opportunity play against real opponents. Bots nowadays play very similarly to humans but their style it is still somewhat strange.

I do not recommend taking back moves. Chess teaches you to think ahead and take responsibility for your moves. If you make a mistake carry on with the game and see how your opponent trys to win. This way you can learn how to win those positions. You should still think and play the best moves to learn how to make your opponents job more difficult. Sometimes that way you may even make a draw or even win.

Cha900yser3

What's the point of take backs. I get it in puzzles. But in games against an engine, the point is to lose the majority of the time. Then see why and do something about it. in the form of study or Lichess practice.

If you are beating the engine without really struggling, then you aren't really learning anything. And yes it's because of the randomness. Engines are tools to use properly. So a good question might be "what are the best ways to use engines?" Or what are the advantages.

So the standard line is often telling people to play 200 rating points above yours against humans. Well just how does that actually work at lower levels. Who plays 200 under and why at lower levels. I mean we can grasp that playing 200 above requires someone to play 200 below, right? Who does that with infinite time between moves? Novice players doing what they need to do to exercise good habits need to take time between moves. Lots of it. Now just how well is that received here?

Human vs human games are usually very time restricted. And I feel that's a LOT more important than human vs engine. Rapid teaches slop at lower levels. It just does. At lower levels there simply isn't time for a developing player to do exactly what all players should do. Find checks, captures and attacks for both player positions. After one is very good, then these things happen much faster for a player. So the novice player who is actually doing what makes him better when playing rapid human games will just irritate the 200 higher player who then begins abusing ...and the rest is plainly evident. The meaningless vortex of nasty is both predictable and observable.

The randomness of engine handicap systems really isn't a problem if the engine is still beating you. If it's beating you, then your errors are clearly rising above the noise floor of the engine randomness. And bots with suggestions? Only in very small doses with mindfulness. Otherwise you will just train yourself to math horse the hints.

But telling novices to just keep on playing quick games at low levels on Chess.com? What? That's like telling people to throw a brick straight up and stand under it. Predictable result and observable result in the people saying they a stuck at 600 or whatever.

darlihysa

Bots are better for practice but you must choose rapid for a game to test your achievments

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