Can a newbie ever become a master and hit the top?

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TangoCharlie27

Has it ever occurred or have the elite played chess since they were children?

 

DiscipleOfKeres

Yes. Nobody starts as a master. Efim Geller went through university before he took up chess seriously, and Hikaru Nakamura sucked when he first started playing chess.

TangoCharlie27

Thank you, that is encouraging!  happy.png   

Im middle aged and not sure my brain is wired to play chess naturally.  But hearing people do well at chess after taking it up later in life shows that the brain (muscle?) is capable of learning and improving.  Most sport is the other way around.  For example taking up soccer at 40?  Forget it!  happy.png 

 

BlargDragon

Usually by the age of 12 your soul is insufficiently malleable to be crushed and re-molded into that of a chess machine.

kindaspongey

Possibly of interest:
"... the NM title is an honor that only one percent of USCF members attain. ..." - IM John Donaldson (2015)
http://www.jeremysilman.com/shop/pc/Reaching-the-Top-77p3905.htm
What It Takes to Become a Chess Master by Andrew Soltis
"... going from good at tactics to great at tactics ... doesn't translate into much greater strength. ... You need a relatively good memory to reach average strength. But a much better memory isn't going to make you a master. ... there's a powerful law of diminishing returns in chess calculation, ... Your rating may have been steadily rising when suddenly it stops. ... One explanation for the wall is that most players got to where they are by learning how to not lose. ... Mastering chess ... requires a new set of skills and traits. ... Many of these attributes are kinds of know-how, such as understanding when to change the pawn structure or what a positionally won game looks like and how to deal with it. Some are habits, like always looking for targets. Others are refined senses, like recognizing a critical middlegame moment or feeling when time is on your side and when it isn't. ..." - GM Andrew Soltis (2012)
https://web.archive.org/web/20140708093409/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/review857.pdf
100 Chess Master Trade Secrets by Andrew Soltis
https://web.archive.org/web/20140708094523/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/review916.pdf
Reaching the Top?! by Peter Kurzdorfer
"... On the one hand, your play needs to be purposeful much of the time; the ability to navigate through many different types of positions needs to be yours; your ability to calculate variations and find candidate moves needs to be present in at least an embryonic stage. On the other hand, it will be heart-warming and perhaps inspiring to realize that you do not need to give up blunders or misconceptions or a poor memory or sloppy calculating habits; that you do not need to know all the latest opening variations, or even know what they are called. You do not have to memorize hundreds of endgame positions or instantly recognize the proper procedure in a variety of pawn structures.
[To play at a master level consistently] is not an easy task, to be sure ..., but it is a possible one. ..." - NM Peter Kurzdorfer (2015)
http://www.thechessmind.net/blog/2015/11/16/book-notice-kurzdorfers-reaching-the-top.html
http://www.jeremysilman.com/shop/pc/Reaching-the-Top-77p3905.htm
"Yes, you can easily become a master. All you need to do is some serious, focused work on your play.
That 'chess is 99% tactics and blah-blah' thing is crap. Chess is several things (opening, endgame, middlegame strategy, positional play, tactics, psychology, time management...) which should be treated properly as a whole. getting just one element of lay and working exclusively on it is of very doubtful value, and at worst it may well turn out being a waste of time." - IM pfren (August 21, 2017)
"Every now and then someone advances the idea that one may gain success in chess by using shortcuts. 'Chess is 99% tactics' - proclaims one expert, suggesting that strategic understanding is overrated; 'Improvement in chess is all about opening knowledge' - declares another. A third self-appointed authority asserts that a thorough knowledge of endings is the key to becoming a master; while his expert-friend is puzzled by the mere thought that a player can achieve anything at all without championing pawn structures.
To me, such statements seem futile. You can't hope to gain mastery of any subject by specializing in only parts of it. ..." - FM Amatzia Avni (2008)
https://www.chess.com/article/view/can-anyone-be-an-im-or-gm
http://www.cbsnews.com/news/kids-fight-stereotypes-using-chess-in-rural-mississippi/
http://brooklyncastle.com/
https://www.chess.com/article/view/don-t-worry-about-your-rating
https://www.chess.com/article/view/am-i-too-old-for-chess
https://www.chess.com/article/view/how-can-older-players-improve
Train Like a Grandmaster by Kotov
Becoming a Grandmaster by Keene
What It Takes to Become a Grandmaster by GM Andrew Soltis
"BENJAMIN FINEGOLD (born Sep-06-1969 ...) ... Ben became a USCF Life Master at 15, USCF Senior Master at 16, an International Master in 1989, and achieved his final GM norm at the SPICE Cup B Section in September, 2009. ..."
http://www.chessgames.com/player/benjamin_finegold.html
"MARK IZRAILOVICH DVORETSKY (... died Sep-26-2016 ...) ... He was ... awarded the IM title in 1975. Dvoretsky was also a FIDE Senior Trainer and noted author. ... During the 1970s, Mark was widely regarded by the strongest IM in the world, ..."
http://www.chessgames.com/player/mark_izrailovich_dvoretsky.html
"To become a grandmaster is very difficult and can take quite a long time! ... you need to ... solve many exercises, analyse your games, study classic games, modern games, have an opening repertoire and so on. Basically, it is hard work ... It takes a lot more than just reading books to become a grandmaster I am afraid." - GM Artur Yusupov (2013)
http://www.qualitychess.co.uk/ebooks/QandAwithArturYusupovQualityChessAugust2013.pdf
https://www.chess.com/blog/smurfo/book-review-insanity-passion-and-addiction
http://www.nytimes.com/1988/09/26/books/books-of-the-times-when-the-child-chess-genius-becomes-the-pawn.html
https://www.forbes.com/sites/alexknapp/2017/05/05/making-a-living-in-chess-is-tough-but-the-internet-is-making-it-easier/#4284e4814850

https://www.chess.com/news/view/is-there-good-money-in-chess-1838
"... Many aspiring young chess players dream of one day becoming a grandmaster and a professional. ... But ... a profession must bring in at least a certain regular income even if one is not too demanding. ... The usual prize money in Open tournaments is meagre. ... The higher the prizes, the greater the competition. ... With a possibly not very high and irregular income for several decades the amount of money one can save for old age remains really modest. ... Anyone who wants to reach his maximum must concentrate totally on chess. That involves important compromises with or giving up on his education. ... it is a question of personal life planning and when deciding it is necessary to be fully conscious of the various possibilities, limitations and risks. ... a future professional must really love chess and ... be prepared to work very hard for it. ... It is all too frequent that a wrong evaluation is made of what a talented player can achieve. ... Most players have the potential for a certain level; once they have reached it they can only make further progress with a great effort. ... anyone who is unlikely to attain a high playing strength should on no account turn professional. ... Anyone who does not meet these top criteria can only try to earn his living with public appearances, chess publishing or activity as a trainer. But there is a lack of offers and these are not particularly well paid. For jobs which involve appearing in public, moreover, certain non-chess qualities are required. ... a relevant 'stage presence' and required sociability. ... All these jobs and existences, moreover, have hanging above them the sword of Damocles of general economic conditions. ... around [age] 40 chess players ... find that their performances are noticeably tailing off. ..." - from a 12 page chapter on becoming a chess professional in the book, Luther's Chess Reformation by GM Thomas Luther (2016)
http://www.qualitychess.co.uk/ebooks/LuthersChessReformation-excerpt.pdf

Toohey_Dee

You know it's funny Charlie. Every GM you can name were newbies at one point.

TangoCharlie27

...Good point!  I am perhaps talking about someone who has discovered the fun of chess ummm, later in life!  happy.png 

Tja_05

TangoCharlie27 wrote:

...Good point!  I am perhaps talking about someone who has discovered the fun of chess ummm, later in life!  happy.png 

..... Yeah, about that... I believe that anyone under the age of 50 is capable of reaching the NM title. GM title though...

DragonPhoenixSlayer

 How old are you?

macer75

No. Newbies will always be newbies.

macer75
With_every_step wrote:

If they're committed to the cause.

As they should be.

DjonniDerevnja

 Its extremely difficult to reach masterlevel starting out in the middleage. You should be satisfied if you reach ok clublevel. I was a huge talent at 15, but quit and restarted at 51.  I have been working a lot, and today I have fair chances facing an average clubplayer. I am below average, but catching up. I was playing with the idea,"can I develop as fast as the kids in the club?". I have got the answer. The answer is " maybe at 25% of their speed".  When unrated I was slightly behind Isak Sjøberg , ten years old, Four years after I have skyrocketed to 1410 fide, and Isak to 2077.  I would like to improve faster, but the improvement I have done is actually very good. It  looks like the mastertitle is outside reality, but my secret goal is anyway" Candidate Master at the age of 93". If I make it, I buy champagne, if not, I still play and enjoy anyway.

DjonniDerevnja
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Dsmith42

Botvinnik didn't learn to play at all until he was twelve, and a number of other notable masters who learned young didn't take the game seriously until their late teens, so it can be done.  Starting early definitely increases your chances, but if you get a late start, the possibility is still there.

breakingbad12

Depends on your age and depends on your definition of "the top". Any child can eventually reach master level if he works hard enough, but I'm not so sure about adult beginners.

AntonioEsfandiari

tactics tactics tactics, work hard at calculation, try to solve puzzles to the end before making any moves.  you should be mentally exhausted after a good tactics session.  I think I will reach master level and I started as an adult.  Play OTB often against strong opponents.  Play slow games, write down your moves and analyze afterward.

president_max
BlargDragon wrote:

Usually by the age of 12 your soul is insufficiently malleable to be crushed and re-molded into that of a chess machine.

reminded me of this

Redlynx17

You can be good if you put in the work, but not "great" - Fischer

 

2200 is a decent rating. Nothing special, but yeah you can reach that level.

JJamil

Hi 

TheGreatFred

If you need I can train you.