Can you get a citizenship if you are a titled player?

Citizenship or a permanent residency?

No particular country just in general

Well I'm sure Magnus would easily get an American citizenship if he want it too.

But that would probably have more to do with his overall fame and whatnot rather than just his GM title.

True fame plays a big role in this case especially world champion.

Some countries don't have many GM's and not even many titled players , so maybe it's easier to accomplish your goals there.

If you are a titled player, you will represent their country, prestige etc... and if you are a high titled player that's even better.

Countries like Australia or even New Zealand, their's not many GM's there

New Zealand I think 0 GM's

ESP-918, maybe in the 1970s and 1980s but not now, unless you are GM Wesley So. There is a lot Russian GMs here in US and I won't mind if more  Russian came to the US, you need not be a title player. I greatly benefit from the Russian and most are serious chess players and analyzing with them you learn a lot from them.

DanaMorgenrot wrote:

As far as I know - if you find a chess club in Germany which is willing to pay for you, you should have no problem with residency. But if you look at the teams of the top German chess clubs, you must be very good to get such a job offer...

👍 good answer I was looking for, direct, serious answer withour trolling or other staff.

It's all comes down to your skills level, title of course.

Thank you for that information it's very good to know

Are you trying to flee Russia?

TheLoneWolf1989 wrote:

Are you trying to flee Russia?

Why?

John Lennon had a heck of time just trying to get residency in the US. I'm not sure professional status would make much of a difference.  I always thought it was pretty cool of Iceland to rescue Fischer the way they did though. 

From what I understand, having a serious title can be a valuable supplication to the PR application. For example, the US has the national interest waiver, where you can apply for the Green Card on the basis of you being an exemplary individual benefiting the nation - if you are an IM or a GM, I imagine you have good chances to get a PR based on that alone, and from there citizenship is usually just a matter of time. In other countries it might be even easier: the US immigration system filters the applicants very seriously, plus there is already a ton of IMs and GMs here, so one more won't make much of a difference - while, say, with Sweden it might be much easier, as even one new GM there would mean a significant difference in the overall competitiveness of the chess community.

I wouldn't spend years working hard on obtaining an IM title solely to be able to immigrate somewhere though.  This is hardly one of the easier immigration paths...

There is immigration through investment (form I-526), and there is immigration through national interest waiver (an option in the form I-140). In either case, having a steady income is not a requirement - although, in practice, in the former case you might need to have strong ties with commercial companies in the US, and in the latter you need to have some kind of job offer from the US. Either way, your income doesn't matter that much - although, obviously, if you have no income at all, then logical questions will arise, such as "How are you claiming to be so extraordinary, if you can't even provide for yourself?"

Your income might matter in other cases though. H-1B-s, for example, recently have become very hard to obtain, unless you have an astronomical income and apparently will be an asset for the economy. 

 I didn't know any of that about Lennon. Makes sense though with the way things were in Washington around that time. 

Naive Americans? This was disrespectful and unnecessary. There are ways to disagree or correct people, calling them naive isn't it.  

Not really. I just prefer that I be spoken to in the same respectful way that I've spoken to every member of this site. But you're right, I regret letting something small like that bother me. 

Nothing guarantees anything: it is up to the immigration officer to decide on whether to issue permanent residence to the applicant. I was merely saying that there is no requirement for having a steady income in, as far as I know, any of the immigration categories.

National interest waiver isn't as serious as it sounds, and even ordinary PhD students have been known to get an application approved. At the same time, applying for one won't get you far if you are just some random guy with the National Master title; you have to be someone outside of your personal hobbies, and if you do hope to get in through your chess successes, it has to be something significant, at the very least, the IM title and some serious international tournament achievements.

Well, I'll you this, Chess (in the US) is not seen as a profession the same way as in certain other countries (like Russia), so that really won't help you, but if you have money coming in then you shouldn't have much of a problem, but becoming a citizen will take a long time.  Then again, we are under a Trump presidency, and I'm not sure, but I would imagine he is at least trying to make immigration to the States more difficult, Obama isn't president anymore (and he was much less worried about immigration than Trump.)