Capturing The King

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Madkiki007
Why is it not written that the King cannot be Captured in the game of chess? If the King is checked it has to get out of check on the next move, therefore the King cannot be Captured! The King cannot put itself into check, therefore the King cannot be Captured! In Castling the King cannot move across a square that is being attacked, therefore the King cannot be Captured!

In chess when a piece is captured it means that the captured piece is removed from that square and replaced by the attacking piece. This cannot be done with the King, therefore the king cannot be captured!

In Checkmate is the King removed from the square and replaced by attacking piece? No of course not. What really happens in Checkmate? The King is in Check with no way to get out, this does not mean a capture in chess terms, but does mean the end of the game. Therefore the King cannot be Captured!

Is there any book out there that says that the King CANNOT BE CAPTURED?

I have seen people play what I call their version of chess which includes taking out the King and continuing the game. Clearly they don't know the rules of the game. When I tell them that the King cannot be Captured in chess they always look at me in surprise.

Wikipedia does use the word Capture to explain the King piece. It says "the threat of Capture" a statement that could easily confuse people that don't know chess. If Wikipedia had used the words "The King Cannot be Captured " then it would make more sense to say "the threat of capture".

Martin_Stahl

Why does that distinction need to be made?

 

Checkmate immidiately ends the game and that is in the rules. As is the rule that kings can not move into or through an attacked square. The idea that the king can't be captured flows logically from those rules.

Madkiki007
One individual may say Checkmate and 10 people will give 10 different response to what Checkmate really means. Stupidity will find it's way out of this scenario.

Just saying that Checkmate ends the game is not enough because Chess is more complex than that.

The word Capture is not vague, it has a very specific meaning in chess. In real life the word Capture could mean any number of things. People tend to get these things confused in social situation.

One thing that could be confusing people more is that sometimes in a chess game a CHECK might go unnoticed by the two players and the spectators may get the false impression that it is ok to ignore a CHECK.

The King Cannot be Captured needs to be stated loud and clear because there are too many people out there that have not figured it out.
Pulpofeira

FIDE Laws of Chess are very specific about this: 

3.9 The king is said to be 'in check' if it is attacked by one or more of the opponent's pieces, even if such pieces are constrained from moving to that square because they would then leave or place their own king in check. No piece can be moved that will either expose the king of the same colour to check or leave that king in check.

Cadell_Hale

Had a discussion about this topic some time back and there was an interesting hypothesis.  The king is never actually captured (killed) to abate the idea of killing live monarchs/rulers.  

Not sure if this has any truth whatsoever.  Food for thought, though.

Madkiki007
I have a challenge for everyone. Go out into public settings and meet people that you do not know. Ask them politely if they play chess, if they say yes, then ask them if the King can be Captured, Yes or No? Survey as many people as possible and think about why those who don't have the right answer.

That is the whole point of this topic.

Everyone here at chess.com I assume already know the rules of chess.
Dark_Army

In Blitz, it's not uncommon to remove the King from the board. It's in the rules for Blitz.

7.)
Defining a win:
A game is won by the player:
7a.).....
 7b.)....
  7c.).....
    7d.).....Who after an illegal move is completed by the opponent, takes the king (if the king is in check)
or claims the win and stops the clock, before the player determines a move and provided the
player has sufficient mating material as defined in rule
Dark_Army

Of course, in online games there is no need for this rule because the computer acts as a flawless arbiter that never allows illegal moves.

In OTB games, the arbiter cannot always be present. Therefore, we have the king capture rule to prove that your opponent left his king in check.

blueemu

Try this one:


White plays Bg2+ and announces mate. Black smiles, says "You've mated YOURSELF", and plays d5 discovered check in reply.

Checkmate?

White replies by capturing the Pawn en passent. Black says "Wait!... you can't do that! You are in check!"

White says "No... your Pawn never reached d5 to block my check. It was captured en passent while moving across the d6 square. So you can't check me... you are in check already. Mate next move."

Who wins the game?

Dark_Army
blueemu wrote:

Who wins the game?

That's funny! I love it, but obviously black wins the game because white has nowhere to move and no way to block the check from blacks bishop.

blueemu
Dark_Army wrote:
blueemu wrote:

Who wins the game?

That's funny! I love it, but obviously black wins the game because white has nowhere to move and no way to block the check from blacks bishop.

Correct. White's claim that "the Pawn never reached d5 to block the check" is incorrect.

According to the rules of chess, a move is complete when the moving player takes his hand off the piece... so the Pawn did indeed reach d5, blocking the check.

ANOK1

the solution to the op s question  is being discussed by FIDE  i believe

expect the introduction of the suicide king who aims to get from e1 to g5 asap

ANOK1

1 e4  c5 2 Ke2 the rest is up to you

Pulpofeira

#7 is a really strange argument. Of course many casual players will lack a proper knowledge of the rules. You can't find them exposed on the streets or in TV advertisements for example, but they are stated loud and clear for anyone really interested. Or should we assume everybody knows what is off side the first time they kick a football?

pureluck
blueemu wrote:
Dark_Army wrote:
blueemu wrote:

Who wins the game?

That's funny! I love it, but obviously black wins the game because white has nowhere to move and no way to block the check from blacks bishop.

Correct. White's claim that "the Pawn never reached d5 to block the check" is incorrect.

According to the rules of chess, a move is complete when the moving player takes his hand off the piece... so the Pawn did indeed reach d5, blocking the check.

En passant is a choice the player makes after the pawn move has been made and has nothing to do with the initial movement of the pawn lol

SrWaldo

This is surely the chess rule that I've always found the most intriguing.

My hypothesis is that the game did use to end when the king was captured at first, since that would be the most intuitive and basic version, but any player who knows what they're doing would have no reason to leave the king in danger anyway. So the addition of this rule would prevent some really anti-climatic blunder endings (worse than blundering a mate in one), while not really changing the games of those who had at least a bit of experience.

When you think about it, though, those tournaments in which one single illegal move makes you lose still play by that (hypothetical) old rule.

MitkeSecerbezovski015

King really needs to make some space. He only has g4 and g3 and both of them are protected.

MitkeSecerbezovski015

Also to white will be better if they do Kg4. Now nothing can save capturing this pawn on h5. No one can protect it. There is only two possible checks- d6 and d5. And they can't save capturing pawn on h5. And THEN