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Change My Mind: The 'Touch Move' Rule is Stupid
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Mar 24, 2021
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I think it's exactly within the rules of "think before you act" which chess, as strategy game, obviously promotes.
Regarding "illegal moves" - if you make an illegal move, but not finish it (by pressing clock), you can still fix yourself by taking the piece away and moving it elsewhere.
Secondly, you are not penalized by touching a piece you cannot move with, but ofc just touching all the rooks at back rank for fun is simply disturbing 
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Really bad idea not to have touch=move rules. Imagine a massive time scramble where both players have mere seconds to move. You feint that you're playing the rook, but quickly then take another piece with your other hand and press the clock, while putting the rook back on the square. Even feinting with the same hand creates confusion for your opponent, and, as chess is a game of complete information, confusion about which move was played is just not part of the game.
RAU4ever wrote:
Really bad idea not to have touch=move rules. Imagine a massive time scramble where both players have mere seconds to move. You feint that you're playing the rook, but quickly then take another piece with your other hand and press the clock, while putting the rook back on the square. Even feinting with the same hand creates confusion for your opponent, and, as chess is a game of complete information, confusion about which move was played is just not part of the game.
I agree, there was an old game where white played 1. e4, black 1. e5 and white touched his kind and had to move it to e2 black came in with his queen and it went downhill from there.
haozuchess wrote:
RAU4ever wrote:
Really bad idea not to have touch=move rules. Imagine a massive time scramble where both players have mere seconds to move. You feint that you're playing the rook, but quickly then take another piece with your other hand and press the clock, while putting the rook back on the square. Even feinting with the same hand creates confusion for your opponent, and, as chess is a game of complete information, confusion about which move was played is just not part of the game.
I agree, there was an old game where white played 1. e4, black 1. e5 and white touched his kind and had to move it to e2 black came in with his queen and it went downhill from there.
Someone actually posted the game, and i got the moves wrong
Mar 24, 2021
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RAU4ever wrote:
Really bad idea not to have touch=move rules. Imagine a massive time scramble where both players have mere seconds to move. You feint that you're playing the rook, but quickly then take another piece with your other hand and press the clock, while putting the rook back on the square. Even feinting with the same hand creates confusion for your opponent, and, as chess is a game of complete information, confusion about which move was played is just not part of the game.
Makes sense. Thanks.
Mar 24, 2021
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Daarzyn7 wrote:
Regarding "illegal moves" - if you make an illegal move, but not finish it (by pressing clock), you can still fix yourself by taking the piece away and moving it elsewhere.
Not true.
FIDE tule section 4.6:
4.6 When, as a legal move or part of a legal move, a piece has been released on a square, it
cannot be moved to another square on this move.
If you prefer USCF rules, the relevant section is 10G.
" lost my queen to a Knight irl cuz I accidentally touched my king"
Before you complain about a rule, it helps to actually know the rule! If a piece is touched by accident, without intend to move it, the "touch move" rule does not apply. For example, while reaching to grab my knight, my arm grazes my king, I an not required to move my king, because I didn't touch it with the intention of moving it. Accidental or incidental touches are not all that rare, and they have no meaning under the rues.
Mar 24, 2021
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BlunderousWilliam wrote:
Interesting fact: Back in 1893, when you made an illegal move, you were required to move your king. If you couldn't move your king, or refused to do so, you lost. Here's a funny game that never would have happened if not for the 'touch move' rule...
The Forced Bongcloud!
not so so. if u touch ur piece here on Mister Chess Dot Com and move it around only to put it back, then u should hafta move it...or dont 'mouse-hold' it.
Online chess programs all violate the OTB touch- move rule. I suspect it was primarily about programming issues at the beginning of internet play.
It could be different - as in click-it ... move it. But programs were written not to recognize a move as being played until the piece is dropped/ released by the mouse.
The practice of picking up any piece- (hovering it over any square and visualizing the position) having the option to return the piece and choosing another piece to move has become so ingrained and accepted as normal practice that it will never be changed. Most players fail to understand- the practice as interpreted in OTB play is viewed as unethical and violates fair play. It is a form of outside assistance - the ability to visualize the position 1/2 move in advance and basically doing a take-back move.
https://www.chess.com/forum/view/general/why-isnt-there-touch-move-online
Mar 24, 2021
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BlunderousWilliam wrote:
Well, I suppose it requires a bit more visualization skills to think about the move in your head rather than seeing it on a board, but I can't imagine that's a factor. I searched it up, and apparently it's been a chess rule for hundreds of years. When chess was played for high stakes, you had a penalty when you made an illegal move. For example, being forced to move your king after touching a pawn but not moving it. Sometimes skipping your turn, etc. Nowadays, during official games, you immediately lose after making an illegal move. The 'touch move' rule helps in these cases, as you could realize you're about to make an illegal move, then take your hand off the piece, or put the piece back in its original spot.
Interesting fact: Back in 1893, when you made an illegal move, you were required to move your king. If you couldn't move your king, or refused to do so, you lost. Here's a funny game that never would have happened if not for the 'touch move' rule...
Another potential reason for the 'touch move' rule: You could theoretically put your hand on the queen, see that your opponent is smiling, then take your hand off, put it on the knight, and see that they're worried
Although I don't play regulated games often, and I didn't play them that often before the pandemic either, so I wouldn't know too well...
Nah, Mr Lindermann was way ahead of his time. He tried to embed the Bongcloud defense to Scandinavian
Mar 24, 2021
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Change My Mind: The 'Touch Move' Rule is Stupid
BelowAverageNoob_42 wrote:
Why does it even exist? I lost my queen to a Knight irl cuz I accidentally touched my king and my opponent forced me to move it.
The Bunny has been advised against attempting to change minds by the dude below. Sorry.
Why does it even exist? I lost my queen to a Knight irl cuz I accidentally touched my king and my opponent forced me to move it.