Change My Mind: The 'Touch Move' Rule is Stupid

But imagine your opponent touching 4 pieces before moving 1 ... A roller-coaster of emotions. I guess that's why they made the rule

I half disagree.

@Daarzyn7 said if you make an illegal move, but the rule you quote (4.7 these days) refers to legal moves or parts of legal moves, so doesn't apply.

I say "half disagree" because 4.7 defines a move to be made only when the pieces have been released on a legal square and possibly removed from the board etc. (or at least attempts to; FIDE need to get their act together). So in terms of the laws the concept of making an illegal move - @Daarzyn7 is a non starter. It is allowed for instance  to touch your pawn on on d4 with the intention of moving it, then release it on a6. The situation at that point is that you are part way through making your move. You can then move it to any number of squares (or non squares) other than d3 or d4 and the situation remains the same. But if you press the clock you have completed an illegal move.

It's not possible to make an illegal move. But you can complete one under competion rules (only).

The most shit rule in the history of chess. I lost whole tournament due to this rule 😫😫

You are allowed to adjust your pieces, on your turn, but have to announce that intention before doing it, or in the process of touching the first piece.

It's only the touch move rule (FIDE art. 4.3) that dictates that players can move only their own pieces. There's nothing about that in art. 3 or anywhere other than art. 4.3.

Indeed on a careful reading of the FIDE laws White can move a black piece on his first move, because art. 4.3

4.3  Except as provided in Article 4.2, if the player having the move touches on the chessboard,with the intention of moving or capturing: ...

applies only to a player having the move and that happens according to 

1.3 A player is said to ‘have the move’ when his opponent’s move has been ‘made’.

only after White has made the first move.

(So 1.g7-g5 might be worth a try.)

does a/o else feel it should be touch move here on Mister Chess Dot Com ?

iows, if u pick ur piece up w/ ur mouse u must move it ? 

Don`t apologize for being sensible. Anyone who disagrees with us is an idiot.

@Gambitiodic said, "A piece should not count as being touched ...", not, "A piece does not count as being touched ..." so I would have said it's obvious he already knows that. I would say that he is proposing a (sensible) amended rule whereby players don't need to keep saying, "j'adoube" in excruciating French accents.

This is an old topic that was resurrected by a troll for no other reason than trolling.

Resurrected thread.

There have been cases of people (successfully) claiming an accidental touch is cases like when they have bishops on c2 and b2, pick up the bishop while playing Bb2xh7+ and then claim an accidental touch because they meant to play Bc2xh7+.  If the floor arbiter allows something like changing to moving the c2 bishop then appeal to the chief arbiter (or, in the US, to a special referee if the chief arbiter still allows it).

A more realistic accidental touch is reaching for a bishop on d2 and having your wrist brush the queen on d1 just before your fingers reach the bishop.  In that case an experienced arbiter would allow the bishop move.

As far as over-the-board play goes, two things missing from this thread are that the removal of the touch move rule would allow:

A> sequentially picking up a half dozen pieces, trying their moves on different squares before returning them and picking up the next piece and in the process of putting them back accidentally or "accidentally" putting one of them back on a different square than it started on.  Besides the risk of altering the position it usually annoys the tournament players on the boards near you.

B> playing in time pressure, making a move, reaching for the clock slowly enough that the opponent can respond, and then claiming that you were going to change the move if you see the opponent make a stronger response than you had anticipated.

this rule is actually so dumb but it can save u in tough times
im like 50/50 about this idk

i feel like it is not a good rule as if about to be checkmated your a goner

Fair

"Prove me wrong..." That's not how it works, OP. The audience doesn't prove you wrong, rather, you prove to the audience that you are right...or at least worth listening to.