CHESS and GO/BADUK

Hi, I have some question for peoples who know Chess, Go or both.

I know that they are two differents games. But I want to start a debate here.

1) Some people say that Chess player only use the right side of the brain. While Go player use both sides. It is true ?

2) The big debate : is Chess or Go more complexe ? Seriously, I think that both games are complexe in they owns ways. But do you think that both can be resolved only with mathematics ? Or do you thing that it will always need the intuition and the imagination of a humain players to win agains the better IA ? For exemple, Alpha zero use some humain skill in intuition to win at chess again IA who only use mathematics.

3) Do you know if Chess or Go are boring after many years playing at it ? I read somewhere that old Chess players found that the game finaly look alwayes the sames. While the old Go players found always something news in the game because Go as bigger possiblity.

4) Do you think that all the part of this games are exiting ? I know somes players who found that the end game of Go is boring, because you muste only close territory. Others founds that end game of Chess is boring because you have only few pieces on the boards.

5 ) Which of this two games will survive the IA and the futur generation ? Do you thing that IA can kill one of this game ? Or both ? And do you thing that futur generation will still plays this games ?

6) which rhyme the most with ART ? Somes says that de complixity and the harmonie of Chess make it the King Of The Games. Somes they that Go show you the nature of the life.

What dou you think about all that ? Sorry for my english.

Nobody ?

1) I don't think it's very true. I admit that Weiqi(Go) always use calculation, instinct and judgement. But Chess also needs imagination to come out with many strategies from time to time isn't it? Since this needs abstract thinking, I'm sure chess player may also need both side thinking rather than only calculate moves  : D

2) No doubt Weiqi is more complex, but when during the endgame, the aspects that you need to consider will become lesser thus calculating become straightforward. You can try to play few matches of Weiqi for while(better with someone who knew basic level) and compare it with chess game, you will know the different of complexity yourself ^^

3) It's true for me, for some time when I played Weiqi I could found absolutely new tactics, or even new variation that I never see before in books that I read. I believe everyone can discover a "new realm" no matter you play Weiqi or Chess, its just matter of your chess skill and maybe a little of nature intelligence to realise. 💡

4) I think Weiqi and Chess both are exciting. Weiqi is exciting because it always spin my mind and refresh my point of view everyone I found a new variation. Chess is also exciting for me as a Weiqi players, and the endgame is like a crucial race in chess because each pieces could dramatically change the whole game result. Endgame of chess is definitely not boring, practice endgame is important!

5) I don't know about chess, but I'm sure that Weiqi will still be played as long as our world is not destroy by real war :') I think chess will keep going for long time since there's lot of people playing it worldwide while Weiqi will likely be a trend not just in Asia.

6) Chess is complex in its pieces rule(en-passant, promotion, how to move pieces etc)but straightforward in game strategy. While Weiqi is simple in piece rule but the concept is complex in game strategy. Which is most artistic, you decide! ^^

*Just my own subjective view and experience, sorry for my English too.

These are some good questions.

1) As far as I know, there is not such a clear separation between the left and right hemisphere of the brain, and in Go and Chess similar areas are activated. Go is strategic and tactical, in chess tactics are more pronounced, so I can imagine that there are differences in activation (duration, change, intensity). But what you train with the games is very specific and cannot be generalized. The greatest benefit is probably to practice concentration and share a common hobby with other people.

2) Go. In the mathematical sense this is clear. But the mathematical complexity says nothing about how easy it is for people or computers to play a game.

Until a few years ago there were no strong engines at Go. The breakthrough came with neural networks, especially with DeepMind’s AlphaGo. Such engines are extremely strong in Go, and without the "intuition" of neural networks, no strong engines are conceivable. In chess the benefit of neural networks is not so great, but here too DeepMind was able to show with AlphaZero that quite amazing results can be achieved. I think that neural nets will clearly dominate in the future, even if they are small and very specialized as in the latest Stockfish. And neural networks will become more efficient on future hardware.

3) For me chess became boring for four reasons: the opening is quite inflexible, and you have to memorize openings at a certain playing strength; there are few deep strategy elements in the game; there are far too many draws; it is partially solved and the result for each game with seven pieces can be looked up in a database.

Go is more flexible in the opening, you can give it a personal style. Draws never or very rarely occur (that depends on the "mode" in which you play). And since you start on an empty board, build up groups and fill the board, there is no state at the end that you can look up in a database.

I think that Go games can be much more dynamic, there are more focal points. In chess the field is so small that you usually only have one. Whereby I really liked the intensive calculation of a single position in chess and the feeling I was getting in hours-long games, and tactics in a small space is probably the attraction for many players.

Besides it seems to me that in chess one tries out many more chess variants – even professional players. I don’t know that at Go at all.

4) At a lower level the end game in Go is nothing else than closing territory, at higher levels it is fighting about each decisive point and requires exact calculation.

5) I do not think that AI is a problem. Go got completely new impulses by this, and in chess it might not be so intensive, but there too the game changes through AI, it develops and lives.

6) Go is deeply connected with culture and philosophy – but with Asian culture and philosophy. I like that, I like the balance with Ying and Yang that is in Go. You build something on the board, a game is growing. Chess is more strongly connected with western culture. A game is destructive, you remove pieces, and the board becomes empty. For me it is rather hierarchy and power. But you do not have to look at everything philosophically.

I know chess players who find it better that they get chess books and news in German or English. With Go this is also no problem anymore, but with chess it is perhaps easier, or you are more likely to find books in the cellar or at a flea market. And in chess there is a stronger club structure in western country, it is simply more present.

I think that chess and go are at similar levels when it comes to richness and complexity, but they are very different games. The complexity from chess comes from the ways the different pieces move and interact, how to make the short-stepping knight work with the queen that has a longer reach, for example. Go is one of the better examples I can think of where rules the appears outwardly extremely simple can result in a game that is incredibly complex.

Chess is about one thing--checkmating the king. Go is about surrounding and controlling points of territory. In a way, I'd almost say that chess is a game about one battle, while go is almost like a larger military campaign.

I'll not say that one is richer or more complex over the other; rather, I rate them both as probably the most strategically rich and complex games that man has come up with, and their differences only make each of them the more fascinating in my mind. I mostly play chess now, and haven't devoted much time to go in a while, but that has mostly to do with limits on time.