Chess is all about memorization and it's boring

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formatallan

That's right. Chess is all about memorizing moves and counter moves. There are no openings, or endgames, or tactics. There are a finite amount of moves and the best players are the ones who memorize thousands of counters in their heads. Odds are if you are playing a good player and you make a move, if that player is good he knows the perfect move to make to counter because he has every single possible move memorized in his or her head. That is why I suck so much at chess and will never be good at it. My memory is quite poor and I am unable to memorize thousands of moves. That's why 360 is probably a better game overall, but regular chess blows. The best players in the world all have eidetic memories. There is very little skill in chess, only memorization. That is why chess is boring and stupid. Discuss. 

SteveDevastator
The imperfections of human memory makes the game exciting. Variation and pressure, like all things great come hence forth.
formatallan
IronIC_U wrote:
SteveDevastator wrote:
The imperfections of human memory makes the game exciting. Variation and pressure, like all things great come hence forth.

Yes.

But, what lies beneath?  What lies beneath the memorization?  Why?  Why is what’s being memorized the valid move possibility?  The answer is why Magnus stole the crown from Vishy.  Want to know?

 

Not really. It's totally boring. It's all memory. My short term memory is really bad which is why I don't excel at chess. My as well just play the memory game with the cards. replace cards with chess pieces. snooze. 

prosperov

I personally think that it is a misconception. There is no Grandmaster who can memorise all the chess moves like that 10 to the power 120. Chess is not tic tac toe.

James-Wallcroft

I have to disagree. It is impossible to human to memorize every single chess position and every best move in them. It is true that the openings are straight forward, but after the openings, in middle game anything can change.

Let me ask you a question. If chess grand masters have memorized every good position, then why do they take their time to make their moves in the middle and in the end game, when they are playing classcal chess? It is because they are handling a position that aren't in their memory, and they try to calculate the best move in that position.

I don't think that you become good in chess if you memorize different positions. You become good in chess when you memorize different principles and use those principles when playing the game. Chess is not about memorization, it is about calculation.  Especially in the end game.

I really hope that you can change your opinion about chess. I looked you leaderboards and it seems to me that you are very emotional person when it comes to chess, In your first forum post you called your self "stupid". And that is fine, after a losing streak I have also kicked my furniture and sweared. But you need to realize that it doesn't help you in anyway if you think that the game is faulty, that just makes you a sore loser. We all lose in this game. The whole rating system is designed to make us play against opponents that are in the same level as we are and better you play, the more harder it will get and in some point you will reach your limit at that moment. If you want to break that limit, you just need to practice practice and practice.

I play violin, and when I am having a hard time to learn a piece, I don't say that violin is only about the memorization of that where you fingers go on the fingerboard and how your bowing hand moves.

I hope I gave you some new thoughts. I wish you a very nice day.

drmrboss
formatallan wrote:
IronIC_U wrote:
SteveDevastator wrote:
The imperfections of human memory makes the game exciting. Variation and pressure, like all things great come hence forth.

Yes.

But, what lies beneath?  What lies beneath the memorization?  Why?  Why is what’s being memorized the valid move possibility?  The answer is why Magnus stole the crown from Vishy.  Want to know?

 

Not really. It's totally boring. It's all memory. My short term memory is really bad which is why I don't excel at chess. My as well just play the memory game with the cards. replace cards with chess pieces. snooze. 

Play 360 then! Show us you are 1500 or 2000 rating in 360!!

formatallan
drmrboss wrote:
formatallan wrote:
IronIC_U wrote:
SteveDevastator wrote:
The imperfections of human memory makes the game exciting. Variation and pressure, like all things great come hence forth.

Yes.

But, what lies beneath?  What lies beneath the memorization?  Why?  Why is what’s being memorized the valid move possibility?  The answer is why Magnus stole the crown from Vishy.  Want to know?

 

Not really. It's totally boring. It's all memory. My short term memory is really bad which is why I don't excel at chess. My as well just play the memory game with the cards. replace cards with chess pieces. snooze. 

Play 360 then! Show us you are 1500 or 2000 rating in 360!!

 

No way. I never play 360. Haven't in years. It's not as boring as regular chess, but still it's a lot of memorization. Just has more outcomes to memorize. But regular chess is all memorization. I suck at chess. I'm sure I would suck at 360 too. Maybe not as much though. 

drmrboss

Play battle royale.

 

blueemu

I'm in my 60s and about half-senile.

If chess were just memorization, I would suck even worse than I actually do.

doyouacceptdraw

You play daily chess exclusively, so you don't have to worry about memorization.

doyouacceptdraw

In real otb chess, memorization is an integral part of the game, and us vert important, along with other things.

Senator_Plutarsky
formatallan wrote:

That's right. Chess is all about memorizing moves and counter moves. There are no openings, or endgames, or tactics. There are a finite amount of moves and the best players are the ones who memorize thousands of counters in their heads. Odds are if you are playing a good player and you make a move, if that player is good he knows the perfect move to make to counter because he has every single possible move memorized in his or her head. That is why I suck so much at chess and will never be good at it. My memory is quite poor and I am unable to memorize thousands of moves. That's why 360 is probably a better game overall, but regular chess blows. The best players in the world all have eidetic memories. There is very little skill in chess, only memorization. That is why chess is boring and stupid. Discuss. 

this is boring and stupid.

discuss.

blueemu
doyouacceptdraw wrote:

You play daily chess exclusively, so you don't have to worry about memorization. In real otb chess, memorization is an integral part of the game, and us vert important, along with other things.

I was 1973 Atlantic Provinces Open champion (OTB) and 1981 Atlantic Provinces Closed champion (OTB).

doyouacceptdraw

I never said you weren't. On chess.com though, you only play daily chess, which is perfectly fine, by the way, nothing wrong with that. I was just pointing out that one does not need to rely on memorization when playing daily chess because of all the books and databases available.

dk-Ltd

Chess is mostly about memorization, but not 100% (more like something between 60% and 80% and OTB it could be even less, since you usually have plenty of time). I keep playing because I love that remaining 20% to 40% that is not. Also, if you don't care solely about your rating, then they are many fascinating problems (tactics, endgames) that can pleasantly exercise your brain. That is if you love solving problems, puzzles and riddles and generally using your mind.

Also, if memory is holding you back, then you can thrive on daily. When I started playing, I reached quickly a 1870 rating in daily, since daily doesn't require any memorization and I can probably improve it even more. But what is the point in that? I find it much more interesting to try to improve in blitz where I struggle big time.

 

Chessflyfisher
formatallan wrote:

That's right. Chess is all about memorizing moves and counter moves. There are no openings, or endgames, or tactics. There are a finite amount of moves and the best players are the ones who memorize thousands of counters in their heads. Odds are if you are playing a good player and you make a move, if that player is good he knows the perfect move to make to counter because he has every single possible move memorized in his or her head. That is why I suck so much at chess and will never be good at it. My memory is quite poor and I am unable to memorize thousands of moves. That's why 360 is probably a better game overall, but regular chess blows. The best players in the world all have eidetic memories. There is very little skill in chess, only memorization. That is why chess is boring and stupid. Discuss. 

Leave. Chess is not for you.

Stashman72

if it was all memorization and grandmasters knew every possible position in their head...every game would end in a draw.

oregonpatzer

OP, you should probably avoid going into law or medicine.

hikarunaku

No one can memorize all the positions that can occur on the chess board. If it were that simple every engine would play perfect chess. Just imagine when engines like alpha zero and leela haven't solved chess after playing millions of games than how naive is your assumption that chess is all about memorization. 

gkhan516

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