Chess is solved by quantum computers, so WHY PLAY???

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Narniacalls

Quantum computers have solved nothing.the most complex problem a quantum computer has been able to solve is 3 x 5. Look it up. We are (unfortunately) decades away from usable quantum computers. People need to check their facts and watch less Syfy channel. And our best computers now can only solve endgames of only 7 or 8 pieces I believe.I am 48 years old and I do not think chess will be solved in my lifetime. It is a VERY big problem.

Phylar
Narniacalls wrote:

Quantum computers have solved nothing.the most complex problem a quantum computer has been able to solve is 3 x 5. Look it up. We are (unfortunately) decades away from usable quantum computers. People need to check their facts and watch less Syfy channel. And our best computers now can only solve endgames of only 7 or 8 pieces I believe.I am 48 years old and I do not think chess will be solved in my lifetime. It is a VERY big problem.

I wouldn't say decades. Moore's Law (pretty sure this is the right one) states that computing doubles every two years. Sure, this may not apply to Quantum Computing and the mechanics that direct it, but human history dictates otherwise. Chances are high that we will have somewhat advanced Quantum Computers(ing) by 2030. Again, this is assuming that the technology for QC advances in the same fashion.

eltodesukane

Moore's Law had a nice run, but it's over now. Desktop computers have been stuck at 3 GigaHertz for 10 years, with no improvement on the horizon.

Phylar

Yeah, they may be stuck around the 3.0 GH. But you fail to mention that Graphic Cards Processes are continually splitting the processing power more and more to make that 3.0 seem much much higher. Quantum Computing could simply be the next step for when we finally reach the limit of our current technology.

recycleourknowledge

Why do we do anything? Generally, it's because there is some level of enjoyment, or the activity confers some present or future benefit. Hell, even if chess was solved, as you say, I would still play for the enjoyment of the game. I've been playing for years now, and I still come across tactics puzzles that rustle my jimmies. And that, that is why I play chess. 

scafudox

As far as I now, Moore's law is about the number of devices on a die, which continues to increase as predicted. It is not about clock frequency. Moreover, the performance of desktop computers continues to increase despite the constant clock frequency.

I do agree that, theoretically, a quantum computer would be able to solve chess (and more important problems) quite fast. However, this computer still does not exist and even if it did the solution would be too complex for humans. I do not think it would change the way people play chess. 

CP6033
BorgQueen wrote:

Because chess isn't about an equation, it's about the enjoyment of playing a game against someone else and trying to win.  It's about human endevour.

Even if computers have "solved" chess, which btw, I don't believe, it doesn't matter.  No human will be able to remember the "solution" well enough to use it, except if they cheat and use a computer during play, so what does it matter?

Just play.

I agree

NickTheWizard

Tic tac toe and checker have been solved. People still play both.

Narniacalls

I just found a very interesting article. Www.nature.com/news/computing-the-quantum-computer-1.13212. Interesting article about lockheed martin and google buying quantum computers from D-wave.I guess I was wrong. Perhaps commercial quantum computers are only 10 or 15 years away.highly recommend the article.

StMichealD
NickTheWizard wrote:

Tic tac toe and checker have been solved. People still play both.

not alot, only young ones

Applehorse

Chess is played by people for people, for those who do not have the ability to win of themselves revert to computers to play and win. If you do not wish to focus on your own ability to play an aponent, then give it away I think.

lizardman100

because it's fun, and enjoyable

vinsvis

Speed is solved by light, so why race?

Chdata
_Number_6 wrote:
chiaroscuro62 wrote:

Except currently quantum computers are completely feeble.  My cell phone is a GM but quantum computers can't do elementary arithmetic. 

They are starting to sound more and more human.  Future thinking, I predicit that Quantum Computers will have 1GB of RAM, and 16GB of Harddrive.  When they are tasked to process something they will simply auto search google and print out the applicable wiki page.

lolwut. My computer has 4GB ram (my last one had 8gb which is a bit unnecessary) and nearly a terrabyte of space which I run out of often and have to go file cleaning. I have a 2 terrabyte external harddrive. That's 1000 and 2000 gigabytes respectively.

 

btw, solving 32 piece tablebases is NP-complete or something like that. Can't understand what wikipedia says about NP-complete? In layman terms, NP-Hard gets quickly impossible to solve in a finite amount of time, and iirc NP-complete is even longer.

jaaas

This thread is just a copy of a copy of a troll. If I were a mod, I would probably have locked it, if not because of anything else (like, the other two threads by another member), then because of the blatantly false statement(s) made in its title. Chess has NOT been solved, and NO practically usable quantum computers are known to exist.

Irontiger
quadriple wrote:
Irontiger wrote:
quadriple wrote:

(...) Since quantum computers don't exactly exist right now commercially and are too costly and are too busy doing more awesome stuff,

I don't think quantum computers will be used to solve chess.

(...)

Right now, quantum computers are few, exist only in the labs that try to improve them, and those "computers" are little more than multiplication tables from 1 to 5 times 1 to 5.

So, "awesome stuff", only if you need little to be impressed.

getting improved so that they can take over the world if they had arms and legs is awesome enough for me.

Idle and groundless speculation.

 

@Moore's Law : it is an empirical law about the growing power of the standard computer due to smaller and smaller electronic components, it has no reason to hold for quantum computers which process the data in a completely different manner. The huge problem right now with quantum computing is not that components are too huge for what we want them to do, it is that they need to be cooled down at extreme temperatures and isolated from the rest of the universe, which makes the aligning of even a full octet (8 bits) close to impossible.

F0T0T0
Escapest_Pawn wrote:
quan·tum   [kwon-tuhm]  Show IPA noun, plural quan·ta  [-tuh]  Show IPA adjective
noun
1.
quantity or amount: the least quantum of evidence.
2.
a particular amount.
3.
a share or portion.
4.
a large quantity; bulk.
5.
Physics.
a.
the smallest quantity of radiant energyequal to Planck's constant times the frequency of theassociated radiation.
b.
the fundamental unit of a quantized physical magnitude, as angular momentum.
 
 
Assuming the above is accurate (cut and pasted from dictionary.com)
 
What is a quantum compter?  One marginally better than the computer next to it?? 

A quantum computer is a computer that uses Quantum bits instead of ordinanry ones.This raises their proccessing power exponentially.They simply super cool quantum objects (like a proton) and force it into a superposition.

Since the working is based on quantum physics it is called a quantum computer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g_IaVepNDT4

UnknownGone

What the? Terminator Solved Hand To Hand Combat. That does not mean we should not fight to protect our families. -_- Chess is played as a sport and as fun. Regardless of what some Calculator thinks/does/MACHINE/QuantumLoadOfCPU!

StMichealD
BorgQueen wrote:

Someone show me proof that chess is solved by quantum computers.  Otherwise this is just a spam topic.

how am i going to, it's going to crash my computer.

Praxis_Streams

Foot in Mouth