Education does not matter for your chess play, however more eduction will enhance your quality of life.
Chess perspective for an high school dropout
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Andre_Harding wrote:
Education or lack of education has nothing to do with intelligence; also, intelligence doesn't have anything to do with chess ability--this is a myth that gets repeated constantly.
If a player is talented and/or they work hard on chess (properly) they can become a strong player.
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some people try to push these myths because it is in their personal interest
falcogrine wrote:
depressed that university students have trouble with basic math.
Yes, the worst university students. Some even fail classes and drop out completely. Without a percentage though these facts aren't anything to be depressed about.
FrenchTutor wrote:
Level of education is completely irrelevant in chess. Don't be too proud of yourself because you play a board game.
This, with a smile added- to both points.
Educate yourself!
And this as well!
waffllemaster wrote:
falcogrine wrote:
depressed that university students have trouble with basic math.
Yes, the worst university students. Some even fail classes and drop out completely. Without a percentage though these facts aren't anything to be depressed about.
That the fact that there are idiots (not using this as a derogatory term, I just can't think of a nicer way to put it right now) failing so bad while going to a college that they chose to go to, and that this is socially normal, is still depressing. I'm a negative-minded pessimist, there is no helping me:) Thanks for bringing up positive stuff though, I'm not quite as depressed.
Not everyone who fails in school does so because intelligence, and, IMO at least, good grades / a degree / a good job isn't intelligence just as much as playing chess isn't intelligence.
But anyway, ok, I wont try to cheer you up :)
Failing because of lack of intelligence is sad, failing despite intelligence is sadder.
Good point in that you can lead a good life, job, etc. without intelligence. The problem comes when those people spend lots of money to fail college, especially when they could have had a full-time job in that time. Plumbers are always in demand:)
I wish I had your outlook, so jealous right now!
Hey mate, just to encourage you: I actually regret studying although Im allmost finished now. I wished that at the end of highschool I just went working. The reason for that is that it turned out I thought I HAD to study and ended up studying for 10 years, wasting alot of time and money.
If I could turn back time I would either
1) pick a creative study
2) find work and tell myself: you're going to work your as$off here with the goal to make promotion and learn as much as possible.
I am pretty confident that I would have made it as I am not stupid (finished the highest high school level) and a hard worker when it comes to anything but study. And now Ive allmost got a diploma in safety, but it doesnt really feel like I learned that much. In alot of courses I basicly learned as much as the wikipedia entry and hardly any practical stuff.
So.. yes you got to work hard.. but you havent got the big debt of studying and you got more years to get experienced. Make sure you talk to people alot about how to get higher in an organisation.
Also you can selfteach computerprogramming. Everything you need to know is on the internet, but again... you have to work you a$s off..
TheGambitKing wrote:
Even though it's a burden, I'd rather have my consciousness expanded to include all the 'dark arts' than blind myself to reality. Our REAL corporate overlords WANT us to think that 'everything is alright' when it isn't, or that 'something must be done' when it mustn't. It's time to fight the power--let's start a revolution!
You could have at least tried to find a more appropriate picture.
Interesting how the OP stopped posting in this thread past the first page.
Well, I hope he reads it. And as for my post: I do recommend kids to go studying. But if fortune leads you to a way where you cant study then definatly not all is lost!
Oct 20, 2013
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dude education is the only thing left after everthing goes away. Unless you're a really good chess prodigy like 2500 already, you shoul join high school again. It's good for the long run
zealandzen wrote:
TheGambitKing wrote:
-"ellen"
-Stopped watching.
Is this what passes for entertainment across the pond in the U. S.? What utterly vapid rubbish!
Friend, it illustrates the incompetence of our public education system (in some places), which we've been discussing here. Irony entertains me.
In all seriousness... criticising other peoples' tastes in entertainment makes you look nosy and snobbish. You know, sort of like one of those English gentlemen from the old days, laughing at the "common folk."
Most Americans won't understand what you mean by football, we are dumb like that.
TheGambitKing wrote:
Ha ha, everyone laughs at the entertainment in the U. S., not just English gentlemen--even their own citizens know it's rubbish! I believe that Marx himself was a proper English gentleman, anyways.
Thankfully, I hear from my friend in the States that they've finally put some football on television, on NBC Sports, so maybe that will help matters.
I can't wait until next year, win Belgium will win the world cup! We've got Hazard, Lukaku, Chadli, De Bruyne, Vertonghen, Kompany, etc., etc. ... there will be no defence to this attack, not even from the Germans!
Honestly, none of those players are top-notch except Kompany, and maybe Hazard. And that's coming from a Chelsea fan. Also, I wouldn't say that Germany has a particularly good defense.
zealandzen wrote:
This topic is very relevant. It's hard to pinpoint the reasons schools turn off so many students, but retention efforts fail. If a student skips school, the hardass assistant principal gives him a week of in-school suspension, where worksheets are to be done but no teaching or interaction with anyone. As if teens respond well to pushing their nose in the dirt! Soon the kid is angry as well as bored or overwhelmed or whatever the root problem is, he and the asst. principal have a hostile relationship, and the school doesn't even want the kid anymore. That's how I've seen it play out.
You do want to get credentials. Sign up for the GED right away! It becomes a doubly difficult test in 2014. Buy or borrow a prep book, but make sure to reserve your spot. Do it now! There's lots online.
It's good that you're working. You'll learn a lot. But also learn from reading, just like Abraham Lincoln. He was able to learn law through reading and apprenticeship, but due to regulations these days, he'd have to attend law school for three years to even attempt the bar exam (where I live). You can get college credit (CLEP tests) for things you learn on your own. And if you're educated, even self-educated, others will notice. Never let the math you don't regularly use slip completely away!
Best of luck.
High school is a joke. The only critical thinking required is being able to answer questions and spin them in a manner that makes it seem like you know what you're talking about. Your opinions never matter and teachers go over crap so fast that you may as well have stayed home and read the dang book on your own.
Math classes force memorization rather than understanding since teachers don't have enough time to teach you everything you need so you need to "make up crap" to remember things you should instinctively know. And if you plan on anything STEM in college you have to actually LEARN all that making the past four years of your life a waste. And the students that were skipped up grades from poor school systems had it a lot worse. High school was easy but it became such a tedious grind I got stressed out and got poor grades when I could've done better.
Not once were we EVER asked about what we thought about anything. Well I just stopped caring. I'm not saying it's right but I didn't have any help so I was going through all this crap alone and couldn't keep up anymore.
But yeah that diploma or GED is important nonetheless. It opens doors and all that. I'm not going to blow sunshine up your arse and tell you it's going to be amazing or whatever. You might like it and you might not but it's as important as anything else nowadays.
macer75 a écrit :
Interesting how the OP stopped posting in this thread past the first page.
I actuallly posted in the second page but I follow this very interesting conversation. But the thread has turned into a debate on education which is now out of my control. :)
To clear the misconception, I do not started playing chess to make money and been succesful. I've a decent job and a paycheck which allwo me to live comfortably, more than many with the same background cannot claim to have. Chess is passion to me, howerver unusual, but I agree that it's game, and games are for everyone, to at least enjoy and have fun with it. It just feel awkward sometimes, espcially when I get asked where that passion came from and that may look like a paradox with my education in life.
Folks, the OP wasn't asking for advise on life, so stop telling him to get back to school, when he seems to be doing just fine.
As for highschool dropouts enjoying chess let me ask you this: do some highschool dropouts play scrabble? Sudoku? Crossword puzzles? Tetris? (the answer is "Yes")
Same with chess. It's a game first. Just because it also excersises your brain and requires some thought, doesn't mean it's the sole domain of intellectuals.