Chess set no extra queens !?

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kndreyn
kaynight wrote:

Because, I think pawn promotion was not an original concept

 

They should probably come with an extra Knight, Bishop and Rook too then, because you can promote to those as well. I think House of Staunton came up with the idea of adding an extra Queen for each side back in the late 90s or so. Not sure when it started, but I have some pretty nice sets that were bought before then that only have one Queen for each side, and they play just fine.

AussieMatey

But the OP might like playing around with his opponent on occasions - promoting to 8 Queens in one game, 8 Rooks in another, 8 Knights in another and 8 Bishops sometimes - so he should have exactly 8 sets on standby - around 260 pieces. If he hasn't, then he just ain't prepared.

kndreyn

I wonder what Fischer and Petrosian did in their 4 queens game. 

SillyPants71

  Before I started playing on this site, I used to think pawns could only promote to to one of your previously captured pieces.  When I played as a kid, that is how we played.

 

human-in-training
SillyPants71 wrote:

  Before I started playing on this site, I used to think pawns could only promote to to one of your previously captured pieces.  When I played as a kiday, that is how we played.

 

 

I used to think so, too.  I still kind of like that idea -- seems a bit more 'fair.'  

But, i also don't mind the other school of thought:  If you're playing poorly enough to allow your opponent push their pawn to the furthest rank, then you deserve to have more than one queen coming at you. 

Nordlandia

Why ain't extra knight placed near reserve queen?

For example Albin Countergambit, Lasker Trap.

 

Still even for world championship matches, there is no extra knights as reserve pieces. 

 

It boggles my mind. 

mgx9600
ESP-918 wrote:

I looked at a nice chess set 4 inch king , heavy pieces and all that every thing is nice , but one thing is bothering me. It comes only with 32 pieces NO extra queens!!! I called them and they said they don't do extra queens anymore for some reason.

It's really hard to find any chess sets in Moscow as they don't have many literally couple and I chose the best pieces , it cost around 100$, mostly I will play just at home, but also for analysis and rapid games.

So I don't know what to do as I don't have any alternative other pieces only comes with 3.75 inch king and most of them don't have extra queens as well .

Do you think it's a big deal? It's quite bothering me

 

I think for a nice set, it is a big deal because you want the set to look good while playing (and there are a few times ,although very few, but still. when you ened that extra queen).  It wouldn't matter much for a cheap plastic set since you can use anything to represent an extra queen (like upside down rook).

 

If I were to buy a nice set, I'd buy 2 sets so I don't have to worry about lost pieces or anything when the set is no longer being sold/produced.

 

mgx9600
Nordlandia wrote:

Why ain't extra knight placed near reserve queen?

For example Albin Countergambit, Lasker Trap.

 

Still even for world championship matches, there is no extra knights as reserve pieces. 

 

It boggles my mind. 

 

This is the problem of only owning a single nice set with just extra queens.

liml

I've been playing this game for a while and I haven't played a game where an extra queen is involve. I think it's safe to say that less than one percent of your game will involve an extra queen. And even if an extra queen is required, you can always invert your rook as previously suggested. So, would you really not purchase a chess set that you like for that less than one percent?

9kick9

 Empty wooden thread spools work just fine or an upside down rook.

Nordlandia

@mgx9600: Since the knight moves in a way which the queen cannot, knight underpromotions can be very useful, and are the most common type of underpromotion.

 

Piece  %
Queen 96.9
Knight 1.8
Rook 1.1
Bishop 0.2
ThrillerFan

In all seriousness, how often do you under-promote with both of your Rooks, Knights, or Bishops still on the board?

 

If you need an extra Rook or Minor piece, simply stop the clock and get a director to get you an extra White or Black Knight, Bishop, or Rook.  It's really not that hard.

 

It's more annoying with the Queen because the frequency of promoting to Queen versus other pieces is a very high ratio.

 

That said, I can tell you that both the sets I use have the extra Queens.  Those are the Zurich Series Plastic set and the Marshall Series Plastic set.  I use the Zurich at serious tournaments and the Marshall at the club and local events. 

ThrillerFan
liml wrote:

I've been playing this game for a while and I haven't played a game where an extra queen is involve. I think it's safe to say that less than one percent of your game will involve an extra queen. And even if an extra queen is required, you can always invert your rook as previously suggested. So, would you really not purchase a chess set that you like for that less than one percent?

 

I have had games with two queens on the board of the same color, and you better think again before doing something like placing an upside-down Rook on the chess board.  While the corny USCF allows it, the more legitimate organization, FIDE, does not, and in USCF events that are FIDE rated, FIDE rules must be followed!

 

In FIDE, a Rook is a Rook is a Rook!  Doesn't matter how you set it on the board.  Normal, sideways, or upside-down.  An upside-down Rook is a Rook in FIDE, NOT A QUEEN!

9kick9

Thanks for the info Snowflake.! angry.png

DrChesspain
ThrillerFan wrote:

 

 While the corny USCF allows it, the more legitimate organization, FIDE, does not...

 

LOL

kenardi

If you really like the set just get it.  The extra queens are not needed all that often.  Except maybe for kids games, they prefer promoting 8 queens and stalemating opponent over checkmate :-) 

I do not recommend turning a rook upside down, okay in skittle games, not so in a tournament game.

you can always purchase extra queens from a cheap plastic set that is a similar size, no big deal if you like the set.

trolley813
IcyAvaleigh wrote:
I got a checkers set at home and I wrote the first letter of each kind of chess piece on them (a piece with a B is an bishop, Q queen....). Easy to use them and if you ever want to play checkers you can turn them upside down so you don't see the letters :)

If you wrote only first letter of the piece names, how do you distinguish a king from a knight? (Note that N is second letter of the word knight)

noblestone
kndreyn skrifaði:

For centuries chess sets came with only one queen per side. Why is this an issue now? If you like the set, buy it.

 

Does anybody know, when this tradition started to sell sets with extra queens? Doesn´t seem to have been an option some few years ago,

lighthouse
ESP-918 wrote:

I looked at a nice chess set 4 inch king , heavy pieces and all that every thing is nice , but one thing is bothering me. It comes only with 32 pieces NO extra queens!!! I called them and they said they don't do extra queens anymore for some reason.

It's really hard to find any chess sets in Moscow as they don't have many literally couple and I chose the best pieces , it cost around 100$, mostly I will play just at home, but also for analysis and rapid games.

So I don't know what to do as I don't have any alternative other pieces only comes with 3.75 inch king and most of them don't have extra queens as well .

Do you think it's a big deal? It's quite bothering me

 

It's really hard to find any chess sets in Moscow

wow , So with all those cold war year's what did there use to play with ?

Why not  look for a nice Russian antique set beside none of my old set have a spare queen !

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/RARE-ANTIQUE-BIG-1953-Soviet-Wooden-OAK-Chess-Set-USSR-VINTAGE-Russian/292585068089?hash=item441f6dd639:g:Kk0AAOSwxQha5kEs

kndreyn
noblestone wrote:

 

Does anybody know, when this tradition started to sell sets with extra queens? Doesn´t seem to have been an option some few years ago,

 

I thought I read somewhere that House of Staunton started selling sets with extra queens around 1996 or 97. I bought two sets from them around '96 and they both came with one queen for each side.