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thejackbauer

I've never played a rated chess game over the board, so I have no idea how chess works outside of online. Could I just join a tournament without having played a game before, and would I start off with a rating of 1200? 

Also, looking online I found some chess tournaments and how does the prize money work? For example I saw one with the entry fee of $200, and an estimated prize money of $4000 per category. Like (2200+, 2000-2200, 1800-2000, 1600-1800, 1400-1600, 1200-1400, 1000-1200) or so. $4000 is a lot, so I'd assume that really good players would play in the 1200-1400 or 1000-1200 and then drain their rating somehow and keep doing this, just for the prize money? 

thejackbauer
RealityMate wrote:
thejackbauer wrote:

I've never played a rated chess game over the board, so I have no idea how chess works outside of online. Could I just join a tournament without having played a game before, and would I start off with a rating of 1200? 

Also, looking online I found some chess tournaments and how does the prize money work? For example I saw one with the entry fee of $200, and an estimated prize money of $4000 per category. Like (2200+, 2000-2200, 1800-2000, 1600-1800, 1400-1600, 1200-1400, 1000-1200) or so. $4000 is a lot, so I'd assume that really good players would play in the 1200-1400 or 1000-1200 and then drain their rating somehow and keep doing this, just for the prize money? 


What you suggest is called "sandbagging".  Players can't do this because many measures have been taken against it by all the federations.  USCF has "rating floors" to ensure this doesn't happen.  You cannot go over 200 points below your current rating, rounded down to the nearest floor.  For example, a 1942 rated player could not fall below 1700 (1942 --> 1900 -200 = 1700).  You can join a tournament without having played before, although I don't suggest a "big money" tournament as your first one.. lots of pressure and very strong players are not an ideal setting for someone who hasn't played rated OTB!  My advice is to look for a local or club event and then get started.  By the way, in the USCF system you don't start at 1200; you get a provisional rating after your first tournament based on your performance instead of a highly increased rating change factor and a start rating of 1200.  Over your first few tournaments your rating will bounce around quite a bit before it's stable though.  Also, you might want a copy of the FIDE or USCF rulebook to see the differences between OTB and online.  


Thanks for your reply. Seems quite fun to start playing in rated games in tournaments. I think I'll start that soon. That being said, I highly doubt I'll put myself in a $200 tournament without a guarantee of winning my money back so I guess I'll be doing like $5-20 ones? (hopefully they have them). 

Thanks, again was informative with the floor rating concept. 

thejackbauer

That being said, wouldn't a 2000+ rated player for example be able to be sneaky enough to pass the system? It's really cheap and dishonest but $4000 is a lot of money, especially on the side for just one weekend. What I mean is, like this player can disguise himself as a low rated player by only winning just enough games and only playing just well enough to win the tournament's first (or second). In which his rating, I would assume would only increase by no more than +100 (I would think). He can then play horridly on low prize money tournaments, just so it doesn't raise suspicious that he wins every single tournament (but just barely). 

Like tournament 1, he plays horridly to start off with a low rating. Tournament 2 say he plays 20 games and only needs to win like 10, draw 5, and lose 5. (or whatever is necessary in general). Tournament 3 he plays so he can get 3rd prize. Tournament 4 he loses. Etc. 

orangehonda

You're required to record the moves, so get used to writing the notation if you're not too familiar with it.

I wouldn't expect it to happen, but it's good to know if you have any kind of dispute or claim to make (say your opponent makes an illegal move and doesn't take it back) just stop the clock and find the director to sort it out.

Oh, and you don't call check or checkmate, the only time you talk during the game is to offer/decline a draw.  I agree with realitymate, it wouldn't hurt to go to a club first, if there's one in your area you can ask upcoming tourneys and maybe get a car pool going :)

rooperi
orangehonda wrote:

Oh, and you don't call check or checkmate, the only time you talk during the game is to offer/decline a draw. 


A few years ago I was playing in The Piet Robbertse tournament.

We were about 5 minutes into the 1st round, and the only sound was from the clocks.

Then, out of the C section, a nine year old voice at about 150db "CHECK!"

Everybody cracked up.

DeltaDevil

Indeed, a player CAN sandbag, and while I believe it's easy to detect, it's hard to detect ACCURATELY, and even harder to enforce.  Imagine you discovered someone had a -150 elo performance in low rated games.  AHA you say, he must be a sandbagger!  But wait, what if he just didn't try because he didn't care about the prize money?  What if he relied on tricks that people would only prepare for in a high money game?  What if he played against the same low rated players every time and did well against them compared to the rest of the population.

Furthermore, making the leap to exclude somebody is risky buisness.  What if somebody accused you of defamation?  You could be sued big time! 

It's easier to just modify the rating system to make sandbagging harder.  A tournament could pair people based on their performance in high stakes games only.

thejackbauer

Thanks for your comments. I agree with you RealityMate, it would be really hard to be able to continuously mess with the system without getting caught. Not only that, it probably really is just a waste of time in the end. The main reason I'm asking this is because $4000 really does sound like a lot of money, and it really shouldn't be hard for a 2000+ rated player to win a 1000-1200 tournament. But it probably would only work one time.

Orangehonda- For the notations, would it be it e4, Nc6, 0-0, Nxe5, etc notation? After analyzing my games I've gotten somewhat used to using notations, but I don't think I could be very quick and accurate to record. Sounds nice to join a club, but I don't think I can really spare much for membership, nor have time to attend too often. Also I didn't realize that you couldn't say check, haha. Whenever I played against my friends OTB, I would say check in a sort of subtle voice but I always felt silly saying it, but I would say it because I thought it was required. 

Delta- I guess it sort of is a relief to know that the rating system is quite accurate and cannot really be messed around with. As much as I want to play against better players, it's nice to know the competition is somewhat level, and once I reach a certain rating range there would always be a fight to get to the top. I did think that for my first tournament, if I were to start off at a low rating I should be able to go ahead and win $4000, as it really is a lot of cash. But I've also seen that in probably most of these tournaments, unrated players can only win up to a certain amount of money. 

thejackbauer

Paulgottlieb- Thanks for your comment. I guess I was more curious than worried about "sandbaggers." You guys gave me really good answers to what I thought to be a problem in the rating system. I'm in New York City at the moment, and it seems like there should be chess clubs and such around, but I can't really find any information about it. 

thejackbauer

Thanks. The Marshall Chess Club is actually really close to where I live :). 

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