Chess vs. Checkers

That is a fascinating story. How quickly he was snatched by fate.

There are of course more possibilities in chess. The 8x8 kind of checkers popular in English speaking countries is a bit of a children's game. Proper checkers (10x10) is not to be sniffed at since indeed no human can see everything OTB. Engines have been said to play the best moves for years.

I started with checkers as a kid since nobody played chess, and then moved on later. Played some tournaments and was one of the strongest youth players in the area in both chess and checkers. After all you quite simply use the same principle of centralization and calculating forced variations. I don't see why a chess player can't be a decent checkers player and I consider myself about equal in both, if I deduct the years of chess practice of course.

American checkers on an 8x8 board has already been "solved."  And it's a draw.  Just like tic tac toe.

Chess has been "solved" for up to 5 (or 6) pieces.  But there's still a long way to go.  Thankfully.

Statements like this always amuse me. Do you know the solution ? I don't. Could you get a draw against any of the best checkers players in the world ? The best checkers players in the world still win and lose games so the " solution " certainly isnt known to any but the beast(s) apparently. 

Never moving your back row violates the principle of economy on defense. 

You'll just have to Google it for yourself.  Hope it amuses you.

But The "Nabokov" Tablebases have already "solved" all possible chess engame positions for up to 5 pieces.  If you had "kept up" with chess news you would already know this fact.

And as for checkers.  That algorithmic "solution" is at least 4 years old (@2007), see post above.  But it apparently doesn't apply to the 10x10 checker board.

But you'll still have to do the digging for yourself.  Again, I hope that task somehow amuses you.  Since "Johnny-One-Note" refutations appear to be your main response to other folks posts.

So knock yourself out.  Learn the facts.  And indeed, "be amused."

P.S. You have also confused the "existence" of a solution with one (of many) actual solutions.  That's just Math 101.  And it doesn't become you.

Apparently my point has escaped you completely , which isnt surprising for some reason . Ok, let me explain my point to you. My point is that it doesnt matter that machines/computers have solved checkers ( or anything else for that matter ) as long as humans cannot memorize the "solution" . Humans will still play and even the very best humans will still win, lose and draw ( checkers for example ) until they know the solutions themselves cold....... how likely is that ?  Not very.... I know the solution to tic tac toe because its very simple/easy and therefore I can play and never lose. If my opponent also knows the solution then all games will be drawn , cat gets the game. I dont know any humans that KNOW the solution(s) to checkers and I doubt any human claims to know either. The fact that a computer does won't change the game for humans , at least not until humans have the capacity to remember the solution(s) as well as the beast(s). 

"Your point" drolls on and on.  "Ok, let me explain my point to you..."  Duh?

Your tortured prose makes for an "amusing" thread.  But thanks for deigning to clarify for the "unwashed masses."  Myself included. 

What's with all the Reb bashing? You realize that everything you trolls are saying makes you sound less intelligent, and more ignorant and idiotic.

 Probably because he is defending checkers as a game with subtleties of its own, while most chessplayers like to think they are oh so superior to the pushers.

Or they could just be trolls.

In checkers you get multiple Kings; in chess you get multiple Queens.  So, in my completely objective opinion, Chess is obviouly better.

I agree, multiple Queens for each King is a great idea.  Multiple Kings in the words of Gus Hansen is "sick, sick."

 Sure, you can memorize all the solutions. It would only take a few trillion years.

mean!

Chess is 1000x better. Simple as.

 So what I got from this is that checkers is a sausagefest and chess is a harem.

checkers and chess are 2 different things

The 10x10 draughts is a very complex game comparing with american checkers. The bigger board and the bigger number of pieces adds a lot of difficulty plus the "flying" king rule, and the fact that you can eat backwards. It doesnt reach chess level, but is much more close than checkers (in my opinion, i suck in both games )