chess vs. Go

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thegoldenknight2003

Both chess and Go are ancient games were no chance enters (per se, check out this post here), they both have simple rules and they're both impossible to master. Although chess has a lot more rules than Go, Go is a lot more complex with millions more variations in a single game than chess. So which do you think is easier to get good at, chess or Go.

jnicholes

I play both chess and go, and I find chess easier to get good at. Go takes a LOT of time to get good at. Sometimes you have to make a decision to either let a piece go and focus on another point on the board, or try to save it in go.

I prefer chess, to be honest.

Jared

thegoldenknight2003
old_school_dad wrote:

Everyone knows Bingo is the ultimate strategy game.

played bingo at a family reunion, I know it is 100% chance

WSama

Lol, in that case, I say Mahjong!

Taskinen

I tried playing Go but didn't ever even understand which side was winning or how you score points. So I guess chess is easier, at least I understand the goal of the game...

glamdring27

I never played Go often enough, but I enjoyed it.  No idea how good at it I was though. Not very I'm quite sure.  I would say chess is a lot easier to reach a decent level of accomplishment at.

thegoldenknight2003
cottonsock wrote:
Sorry guys, you’re all wrong ! .......it just has to be Tiddlywinks. It’s like miniature golf 🏌🏾‍♂️...do you hole out in one , or will it be a bogey putt.

y u have male symbol in ur comment?

Farm_Hand

Just like chess it's not so hard to learn in the beginning, you just need someone (or a book) to teach you the basics.

The concepts are also pretty simple. You're not going to have to worry about advanced stuff for years. Win 2 out of the 4 quadrants and you have a good shot. Win more than that and you win the game.

And the branching factor makes it hard for dumb computers who just number crunch, but humans don't play either game through pure calculation.

WSama

Go definitely sounds more difficult to get great at. It sounds like a beautiful game. But, as far as the initial learning process goes, I don't think the two should be compared.

The level of difficulty seems relative to the game and the development of ones ability to play it. Just because it took you longer to understand Go, it doesn't mean that it's harder to learn than chess. I think the word I'm looking for is 'scale', think of something like -- two of the same thing on different scales, 2:4 and 4:8 ratio, 1/2 and 2/4 fractions. That's how I view the difficulty issue here.

WSama

1/2 and 2/4, we get two work with these two differently, so to say. It might take you longer to pick up 4 parts of a stone than two halves depending on the situation, and it's the accumulation of these subtle differences that can lead us to think that one is more difficult than the other, but it's not quite true.

I think that's what I'm trying to say 😅

WSama

So an opening might take a month to learn in chess, and perhaps a year in Go, just an example. I think the question then would be, how does this affect the play of each game. Sure, it's taking me a year to learn a Go 'opening', but am I playing as much Go as I am chess in that time? You know?

WSama

We can't judge the correlation between the two by how good a player becomes, because chess is chess and Go is Go

thegoldenknight2003
WSama wrote:

So an opening might take a month to learn in chess, and perhaps a year in Go, just an example. I think the question then would be, how does this affect the play of each game. Sure, it's taking me a year to learn a Go 'opening', but am I playing as much Go as I am chess in that time? You know?

I don't think openings are a thing in Go

WSama

Ah

Just like how we can't say that dealing with a half is better than dealing with two quarters just because the mathematician finds it easier to play with the half.

Farm_Hand
thegoldenknight2003 wrote:
WSama wrote:

So an opening might take a month to learn in chess, and perhaps a year in Go, just an example. I think the question then would be, how does this affect the play of each game. Sure, it's taking me a year to learn a Go 'opening', but am I playing as much Go as I am chess in that time? You know?

I don't think openings are a thing in Go

They're called joseki, and to learn an opening sequence doesn't take a year tongue.png

WSama

😅 right.

Farm_Hand

Get a go strategy book
Get a tactics book (called life and death problems)
Learn some Joseki, after you play a game look up where you might have played incorrectly, play over master games, watch youtube videos... learn endgames.

It's pretty much the same as learning chess IMO.

WSama

😐

Two humans, one with legs, and the other with wings. They're both told to get to the other side of the room. The one with wings gets there faster, but it turns out that they're both just as tired from the little experiment.

thegoldenknight2003
WSama wrote:

😐

Two humans, one with legs, and the other with wings. They're both told to get to the other side of the room. The one with wings gets there faster, but it turns out that they're both just as tired from the little experiment.

wut?

varelse1

All those vote against chess in this thread should go to jail. Go directly to jail. Do not pass "Go." Do not collect $200.