tonydal wrote:
I heard it's the baddest part of town...
Ever since ol' Leroy Brown turned 60, it's just not as bad as it used to be.
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orangehonda wrote:
tonydal wrote:
I heard it's the baddest part of town...
Ever since ol' Leroy Brown turned 60, it's just not as bad as it used to be.
Murders are up since the economy went down.
tonydal wrote:
orangehonda wrote:
IMO the difference with chess is you can learn a lot, but not be able to effectively apply it, there's a performance issue beyond memorization and understanding.
But then it's sort of axiomatic that a lot of (say) English professors couldn't actually write a readable novel...so there's a large question as to whether they could "perform" with their knowledge either.
(And btw, I forgive you that large looming U-turn back to the original topic...painful though it is for the likes of me.)
It just seems people don't realize this when they ask to relate chess skill to an academic degree. I like the english prof who can't write a novel example.
Nov 13, 2010
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orangehonda wrote:
At the risk of going back to the original topic ;)
IMO the difference with chess is you can learn a lot, but not be able to effectively apply it, there's a performance issue beyond memorization and understanding. Some IM was quoted saying "most chess players, including myself, know chess better than they play it."
You lost me, but then I have a college degree in jazz studies.
Are you saying that I could get a doctorate in chess, as in, actually read all of my chess books, watch all of my instructional DVD's...contribute to the body of knowledge on chess...have a rating of a gazillion on tactics trainer and still not be able to beat a Grand Master? My head hurts just thinking about trying to do all of that stuff. 
Nov 13, 2010
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#26
And we come full circle to the simple truth that studying chess is like studying pick up lines. Some lines sound good when you're practicing them by yourself. But when you try them out...
tonydal wrote:
electricpawn wrote:
orangehonda wrote:
tonydal wrote:
I heard it's the baddest part of town...
Ever since ol' Leroy Brown turned 60, it's just not as bad as it used to be.
Murders are up since the economy went down.
Funny, I don't remember Croce singing that...but it looks like it might fit (the economy was bad back then too).
Maybe that was in that operator song.
notlesu wrote:
I think thats what happens to old chess masters---they understand chess better than they play it. They can still teach, coach and write but do not play as well as they used to.
Chicago is like a walk in the park compared to Washington DC. Washinton DC was the murder capital of America several times in past decades. Within the shadow of the capital buildings were some of the deadliest streets in the world.Their Mayor, Marion Barry, was caught on film buying drugs from an undercover officer. He was convicted and sent to prison, served his term and came back to Washington and was re-elected!!
Wasnt the rock and roll icon Jerry Lee Lewis known as the killer? Some of his wives died mysteriously but one young groupie who escaped from the killer was Bonnie Lee Bakley---she ran to the arms of Robert Blake!
I don't mean to get into a debate about which city sucks worse, but the population of DC is about 600,000. Chicago is 2.8 million. Metro Chicago is close to 10 million people. You could fit the entire city of Washington DC in the south side of Chicago.
Nov 13, 2010
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jhbchess wrote:
And we come full circle to the simple truth that studying chess is like studying pick up lines. Some lines sound good when you're practicing them by yourself. But when you try them out...
Yep. Gotta get out there and play.
When I told my dad that I was going to college to study music, he said, "You really should get a degree in business, just in case."
Wouldn't it be something if a kid could one day go to college and major in chess, get a teaching credential, and then have a job waiting on the outside?
Do you have any idea how many nutty things are being taught in the field of electives?
There's this class where high school girls and boys have mock marriages and take home these life size babies that cry all through the night. One of my sons and his girlfriend took the class together, and the person teaching this class needed a real teaching credential!
If there can be pretend marriage classes in high school, why can't there be real chess classes where teenagers can exercise their minds and earn credits towards a diploma?
Were you a student there? You seem like you belong at a prestigious school.
Chess University/College = Fail.
The whole point of a degree is aknowledging the fact that you are capable of performing well in certain jobs associated with the degree. Engineers design stuff, accountants make sure you pay less taxes, teachers learn your children how to read etc. What does a chess degree aknowledge?
Nov 13, 2010
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#33
FM = Bachelors
IM = masters degree
GM = PhD
Super GM = Professorship/Reader/senior lecturer
World top 10 = Nobel laureates?
wingtzun wrote:
FM = Bachelors
IM = masters degree
GM = PhD
Super GM = Professorship/Reader/senior lecturer
World top 10 = Nobel laureates?
Sounds good to me!
Are you going to take the online chess course?
woodshover wrote:
Are you going to take the online chess course?
No, can't say that I am. I was just saying his match-up between chess rankings and college degrees, sounded as good as any.
Joseph-S wrote:
woodshover wrote:
Are you going to take the online chess course?
No, can't say that I am. I was just saying his match-up between chess rankings and college degrees, sounded as good as any.
I was asking the OP.
Musikamole wrote:
You can get a college degree in philosophy. I’m not knocking philosophy. As in philosophy, much deep thinking is required in chess.
- You get a college degree for studying philosophy
- Philosphy and chess both require much deep thinking
- Thus you should also get a college degree for studying chess
Nice syllogistic fallacy. Now please leave philosophy out of this.
Nov 14, 2010
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#39
Degrees in poker, chess, bunko maybe. Chess.com could hand out diplomas for completing lecture series I suppose. Probably be more legit than a mail order MBA. Probably be just as meaningful on a resume.
Nov 14, 2010
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#40
In the United States, our education funding system gives unlimited lines of credit to 18 year olds, and we are surprised that this doesn't turn out very well.
If there were college degrees in Chess, there would be be 23 year olds who played great Chess, and would never get out of debt.
At the risk of going back to the original topic ;)
IMO the difference with chess is you can learn a lot, but not be able to effectively apply it, there's a performance issue beyond memorization and understanding. Some IM was quoted saying "most chess players, including myself, know chess better than they play it."