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Theshallowend

Most chess players are attacking chess players.and I heard a good offensive is the best defense. But it seems hard to go from A attacking player to defensive player. What are the general rules for a defensive player

stiggling

Defense without the possibility of offense is passivity, and that is bad.

So the number one rule is to always keep the potential to do something active later. Knowing endgames well would help a lot. As a model maybe Ulf Andersson. He tended to take zero risks, and was the 2600 GM equivalent of Carlsen's ability to squeeze blood from a stone.

blueemu

To be a good defender, you need to be able to calculate at least as well as the attacker. It's no coincidence that great defenders like Petrosian and Korchnoi were among the top Blitz players of their generation. You also need to be able to assess positions rapidly and accurately, and know when and how to counter-attack. You can't hold a position together by playing safe moves... you do it by playing GOOD moves.

I know I've posted this game about a hundred times already, but here is an example of how to defend a position that's under heavy attack:

https://www.chess.com/forum/view/game-showcase/a-heroic-defense-in-the-sicilian-najdorf-kids-dont-try-this-at-home

kindaspongey

New Art of Defence in Chess

https://chesscafe.com/book-reviews/new-art-of-defence-in-chess/

kindaspongey
stiggling wrote:

... As a model maybe Ulf Andersson. He tended to take zero risks, and was the 2600 GM equivalent of Carlsen's ability to squeeze blood from a stone.

Possibly of interest:

How Ulf Beats Black

https://www.newinchess.com/media/wysiwyg/product_pdf/9062a.pdf

https://www.chess.com/video/player/ulf-anderssons-3-most-instructive-chess-endgames

Grandmaster Chess Strategy by Jürgen Kaufeld & Guido Kern
https://web.archive.org/web/20140708093410/http://www.chesscafe.com/text/review812.pdf

IMKeto
Theshallowend wrote:

Most chess players are attacking chess players.and I heard a good offensive is the best defense. But it seems hard to go from A attacking player to defensive player. What are the general rules for a defensive player

Unlike some things in life, always being on the defensive in chess leads to bad things.  The goal of defense in chess is to effectively counter the offense of your opponent.  Playing defensively (passively) all the time leads to losses.

kindaspongey

"... we can see from the above that players who are happy as White to play for a small edge in a queenless middlegame have a number of lines where they can achieve the sort of position they want. Even in other variations, the willingness to settle for a near-equal endgame, rather than trying to obtain an objective opening advantage, makes one's whole job of opening repertoire management very much easier. ... With his superb intuition and depth of positional understanding, [Petrosian] was accustomed to treating the opening relatively flippantly, and did not normally strive very hard to gain a theoretical advantage. ... it seems to me that for many players below master level, having a repertoire where there is minimal need to prepare could in fact be quite attractive. It must be remembered that, despite its shortcomings, Petrosian's approach proved good enough to wrest the world title out of the hands of Botvinnik, one of the best-prepared players ever. ..." - FM Steve Giddins (2003)

IMKeto

Korchnoi loved defending difficult positions, but that isn't something i would recommend.

kindaspongey

"... Your only task in the opening is to reach a playable middlegame. …" - GM Lajos Portisch (1974)

LionVanHalen

to attacking is good, but one must build pieces, strong develop then attacks... early attack is mistake, quiet, quiet,  kill,

nighteyes1234

General rule is not to be lazy and be interested in the truth and not kibitzing.

Its kind of funny because you only need solve this one puzzle to see it.

1 e4 e5 2 Qh5...and now its black's turn.

Id say for a noob this would take a month or two with some top engines.....as you might not understand the 'why' in the moves...plus you have to sort through the grey world of engines and early opening moves.

 

Theshallowend

What ???  I was talking about defense.

 

LionVanHalen

best defence is strong attack yes? but piece must develop strong, king must castle... then we attack my friend, but not too early, king like castle, you are understanding yes? to become high player one must learning castle move... king to safety, then one learn attack yes?

Theshallowend

I think we're talking about defense.  I think almost all the players on here are attack first players.  And this is not about the basic s like castling connecting rook proper piece development  or knowing the y behind the move or any other  idea you have that is not defense.  There are defensive ideas and tactics and concepts out there  like using blockade's and stuff like that. 

IMKeto
Theshallowend wrote:

I think we're talking about defense.  I think almost all the players on here are attack first players.  And this is not about the basic s like castling connecting rook proper piece development  or knowing the y behind the move or any other  idea you have that is not defense.  There are defensive ideas and tactics and concepts out there  like using blockade's and stuff like that. 

I get what youre trying to say but...

How do you develop an attack?

By having space, and active pieces. 

How do you gain space and get active pieces, so you have an attack?

By moving pawns so you can castle.  By placing your pieces on active squares.  By connecting your rooks.  And yes, understand the "why" behind the moves.

LionVanHalen

yes that is problem my friend, weak player want attack, attack get king yes? but strong player is developing piece, is castle king yes? to become high player one must castling... is not me who say, is master player, master say strong develop, castling fast, then we attack yes?

Theshallowend

Well that what a attacker does. And I understand that . Why because I love to attack...but I looking at from the point of  spotting a attack against me. Preventing attacks against me properly and removing pieces in my territory that are a real threat.

IMKeto
lionmirjankokic wrote:

yes that is problem my friend, weak player want attack, attack get king yes? but strong player is developing piece, is castle king yes? to become high player one must castling... is not me who say, is master player, master say strong develop, castling fast, then we attack yes?

<Shaking head>

Your made up attempt at not knowing english is poor to say the least.  You sound like a white guy playing an indian in a 1950's western. 

Me makum heep wampum.  You go to white mans land that is far away.  You tell pale face we no, makem deal.

Theshallowend

Well next time I need a English lesson I know the troll to talk to. Thanks pin head

LionVanHalen

so, any more such abuse you will be reported both... english not my first language, am not fleunt yes? you try talk croatian pin head, troll, how much you know? One word? none? i come here to discussion Chess in civil discuss... not to get racial abuse understand?