DGT 2010 Chess Clock

I bought a DGT 2010 chess clock online yesterday (I should be getting it wenesday),

And i am wondering what are the advantages and disadvantages of this clock?

Also does the chess clock count the moves so it adds 1 hour after 40 moves in a long time control?

I have one.  Its main advantages are that you can practically set it to any time control you'd like, and that pressing the clock makes little to no sound (no "click") so if your opponent is not at the board he might not notice that it's your move.

Its main disadvantage is that it isn't large enough to hide your opponent's queen behind it so he would have trouble finding it when he wants to promote a pawn in time trouble.

And no I don't think it counts the moves, the time is added when one of the flags has fallen (and the flag symbol will appear next to whose flag has fallen). It'll depend on the players' notation of the moves whether someone is declared to have lost on time.

In fact FIDE regulations forbid that the clock adds the time after 40 moves. Sometimes the clock is hit more often than there are moves (e.g., player throws over some pieces, presses clock, opponent presses it right back because the player has to right them himself). Also people forget to press the clock sometimes, so it's possible that 40 moves were made with fewer presses of the clock. Further, if people in time trouble aren't writing down their moves, they're not supposed to get hints that they've made move 40 (like seeing an extra hour on the clock)

So the clock just lets the time run out, then it adds the hour, and keeps showing which player's time runs out first. Deciding whether the 40 moves were made is left to the players and the arbiter.

There are reasons why so few other clocks meet all the FIDE regulations...

 Is this a good thing though? Is DGT XL the same way? And can you claim a win if  your opponent runs out of time and you have the scoresheet to prove that the game went less then 40 moves?

Yes, it's a good thing, for the reasons I gave above -- the clock is just a clock, move counting goes by the score sheet.

Yes of course you can claim a win in that case, and if you don't have a score sheet filled in, then your opponent might have, or hopefully the arbiter has been writing along, or you'll need to do reconstruction (on another board) to find out how many moves were made. Basically, just how it's always done under FIDE rules.

kk thats good then, thanks :)

EDIT: Alphastar said it also, my bad.

Thank you. Most helpful.

How does the DGT 2010 compare to the older model? The newer one costs $20 less at my vendors, which makes me suspect it lacks features.

This is the difference (there are more i believe)

After 14 years we say goodbye to DGT 2000 and welcome the DGT 2010. With 200,000 clocks sold, the DGT 2000 (official clock of the world chess federation FIDE) was the most successful digital chess clock in the last decade. The DGT 2010 replaces the DGT 2000

Numerous improvements have been implemented!

Specifications:

• Larger displays with more info in display
• Much easier to program
• Buzzer function
• Canadian and Japanese byo-yomi
• Only 2 batteries (now included in delivery)
• New lever mechanism
• 7 3/4" long, 4" wide, 2" high

The DGT 2010 is in full accordance with the World Chess Federation (FIDE) laws of Chess

http://www.chesshouse.com/DGT_2010_Digital_Chess_Clock_p/e329.htm

...and yet it is $20 less. Why?

To be honest i have no idea.. and i never knew it costed less.. it has all the features as DGT 2000 + more features added, and looks better... so maybe DGT 2000 cost more because its more popular?

I seriosuly have no idea :P

It also can take more damage then the old version.

I once read, as clocks get more advanced, they get cheaper, i don't know why is that but just keep that in mind :P

All electronics get cheaper as technology improves. That's the only explanation I've been able to conjure, too. Thanks.

 Yeah, it looks better, it withholds more damage, it has all the features + more features like a bigger screen, it has a quieter lever (the thing you hit), its technically WAY better, but maybe they found a way to make it cheaper with other parts, so thats what i came up with.

Any other Advantages/Disadvantages?

Regarding the DGT XL, one main difference in relation with the other clocks is the possibility to connect it to a DGT-board. As far as I know, no other model is capable of that.

I would be most interested in comparing the DGT 2010 user experience with the Chronos. Setting aside the technical parts about the FIDE rules, I'm curious how people like the DGT compared to the Chronos. I haven't had a chance to use this new model, but I've preferred the Chronos over the past DGT models in the following areas:

-- Prefer the Chronos buttons over the DGT lever (I actually prefer the Chronos buttons over the Chronos touch sensors).

-- Prefer the larger display face on the Chronos.

-- Prefer the ease of reseting the Chronos to the start time.

If DGT fixed up these things -- a lever that I like, a bigger display, ease of setting -- I'd be inclined to get the DGT. Especially since it is cheaper than the Chronos. Hopefully the designers of the new model have looked around at what's out there and incorporated the good features from other clocks.

I own a wooden analog clock, but must play with many others. I prefer the DGT buttons over Chronos.

I like the lack of ambiguity that the button has been depressed, the tactile feel, and that you can see who's on move from across the room (I tend to wander while playing--checking out other games, stocking up on cookies and coffee, making twenty-five trips per game to the loo).

 I love the lever, its great in my opinion, although i never used one i just like the look of it, DGT 2010 has a bigger display of 2000, but im not sure how big, but it looks like its big enough.

Chronos resetting start time is pretty risky.. because some people accidently touch it and chronos reset time is 1 touch , your time is resetted.. it can be pretty annoying, while DGT there is no risk in resetting the time by accident.

So overall, i think the lever is better then the chronos (Although i do prefer the chronos buttons over sense as well because i can actually feel it going down and i know that i actually hit the clock)

The display face on DGT is good, idk how big the Chronos is compared to the DGT 2010, all i know is DGT 2010 has a bigger display

And the setting time is okay on both DGT and Chronos.

I wouldav bought a DGT XL, but the only difference that i know between them (DGT XL, DGT 2010) is there both exactly the same (Looks different) except the fact that the DGT XL can connect to the computer or w.e., so why pay a $50 difference when i do not need one that connects to the computer (or the board)

I like both Chronos and DGT 2010, but DGT is cheaper, so i bought that instead.

 I love the sound of when the lever is being hit, and we're similar, i move around alot and i believe you can tell whos move it is easily with the lever,(ill see when i get it, but from pictures on the internet you can tell from pretty far) which i like as well.

The Chronos buttons (not the metal touch sensor, the buttons that go up and down) have a very nice tactile feel for me, they are very crisp going up and down. I actually prefer this feel to DGT lever (at least, on the older DGT models). Is the clock pressed when the lever is all the way down? part way down? In my recollection there is no clicking feel on the lever that lets you know you've finished pressing it.

I guess I have had the opposite experience as Ziryab in that I feel there is ambiguity in the DGT lever and not in the Chronos button. This is because I don't have any feedback as to whether the lever is all the way down or not.

The full size Chronos has an LED that lights up on the side of the clock that is to move. This is about the most clear and unambiguous signal you could get. And it's always been easy for me to see it from away from the board.

The smaller sized "Blitz" Chronos ruin the LED feature since they have a single LED that changes color depending on which side to move. It would get the job done if you can remember which color indicates which side, but I prefer the two LED system -- nothing to remember.

When you hit the DGT clock (i never hit one in my life so dont listen to me :P), you will probably hear the sound, and when you hit a clock its pretty obvious to know when you hit it all the way down, but idk if you can feel it.

From what i read, Chronos and DGT (2000, 2010, XL) are the best clocks around, i believe Chronos is more for blitz while DGT is more for long time controls, but both work well one way or the other.

SerbianChessStar, When you press a lever down, you know you pressed it down. The point is, when you fail to press it down, do you know you've failed to press it down.