Difference between puzzle rating and live chess

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brasileirosim
Puzzle rating is certainly higher than blitz or rapid rating in chess.com. Do you know how much point higher? Something like 300 points or more?
mathematicaljulian
Yes for me I’m 1420 blitz and 1480 bullet and my puzzles rating is 2019
brasileirosim

Ok, in this 600 is the difference. I began to make tactics here again and went from 1300 to 1800, but I am still improving. I guess I can reach 1900 or even 2000 in a couple of days.

michaeltakhell

1800 blitz 2300 puzzle rating

brasileirosim

500 points difference.  I guess that when the difference is something like 800+ this is an indication that a player should invest more in the opening, strategy or endgame to improve. 

eric0022

How about those having a tactics rating above 10 000? (If you check the top lists)

 

Their difference in rating is definitely more than 7000.

eric0022

I'm sure there is a minority whose puzzle rating is below their game rating.

brasileirosim
eric0022 wrote:

How about those having a tactics rating above 10 000? (If you check the top lists)

 

Their difference in rating is definitely more than 7000.

Okay, I was thinking about people who train in the usual way. I know that players who do huge amounts of tactics for a long time will at a certain point know the puzzle in chess.com and get therefore incredible ratings. 

brasileirosim
Maxtrushkov wrote:

My peak blitz is 1462 my peak tactics is 2482

Can be that you get bad positions out of the opening? Or that are not very good in strategy?

eric0022
brasileirosim wrote:
eric0022 wrote:

How about those having a tactics rating above 10 000? (If you check the top lists)

 

Their difference in rating is definitely more than 7000.

Okay, I was thinking about people who train in the usual way. I know that players who do huge amounts of tactics for a long time will at a certain point know the puzzle in chess.com and get therefore incredible ratings. 

 

I am expecting the vast majority of players here to have a puzzle rating of somewhere between 400 and 800 rating points above their game rating.

 

My tactics rating, on average, is about 450-550 rating points above my blitz rating and 600-700 rating points above my rapid rating (on this site).

brasileirosim
eric0022 wrote:

I'm sure there is a minority whose puzzle rating is below their game rating.

This would happen if people did some puzzles at the beginning and stopped,  but when on improving by playing and analysing. Or they do puzzles somewhere else.  This was my case. I do tactics in Chessable. 

Verbeena

Try sitting for 15min+ with each puzzle, analyse it thoroughly, take notes if you have to and then play the solution. Your puzzle rating will skyrocket, but in blitz, that's impossible.

brasileirosim
It certainly better to take enough time to solve the puzzles. I am coming close to 2000, and I guess I can go soon to 2100 if I really think longer before making my moves.
Caesar49bc

Some people have puzzle ratings several hundred points higher. It mostly boils down to the fact that a puzzle is a static position, in which the solver knows there is a BEST MOVE.

Games are pretty organic, since after every move, the board position changes.  (Obviously there are scenarios of dead draws in which is matters little if the board position changes, or draws by 3 fold repetition.)

So it boils down to the fact that humans, in  a timed game, don't have the luxury of looking for the best most every turn.  Even Stockfish reportedly had to spend 5 to 8 hours looking at a single position to find the move that Google's Alpha Zero Chess played against it, and most likely, it was a newer version of Stockfish that looked at the position.

brasileirosim
Caesar49bc wrote:

Some people have puzzle ratings several hundred points higher. It mostly boils down to the fact that a puzzle is a static position, in which the solver knows there is a BEST MOVE.

Games are pretty organic, since after every move, the board position changes.  (Obviously there are scenarios of dead draws in which is matters little if the board position changes, or draws by 3 fold repetition.)

So it boils down to the fact that humans, in  a timed game, don't have the luxury of looking for the best most every turn.  Even Stockfish reportedly had to spend 5 to 8 hours looking at a single position to find the move that Google's Alpha Zero Chess played against it, and most likely, it was a newer version of Stockfish that looked at the position.

Yes, in a real game you don’t have anybody telling you “white to play and win in three moves”.

ChessmanzYT

1600 blitz and 2500 puzzle rating

 

sripathis

1300 rapid 1600 puzzles

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Mr_Trouble

2034 puzzles, 834 blitz. Reviving a dead thread, just trying to figure out why I suck at playing games. Might stick to the puzzles. 

brasileirosim
  • Huge difference between both. I would like to have a look at your games later to see what you are doing.  You should be already 1200 or stronger. 
MarqeeMoon

I'm in the same boat as mr_trouble. 850 blitz, 2000 puzzles. Though my rapid is 1200. My rapid should preferably be higher, but my blitz is just sad.