Do am i ready for Dvoretsky?

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Robles_Ulises

im a 1700 standart rating player and i have been playing a lot of slow games and analyzing them. lately i have found the need to work in my positional game and i have read Dvoretsky`s "strategic play" is a very good book in this subject but also that is for advanced players. so thats my question, do you think with 1700 standart rating im ready for it or should i go first with an easier book?

molokombo

no you're not ready. dvoretsky is for people 2000+ looking to become master.

Stormstout

I haven't read it but many suggest his books aren't for anyone below 1900 rating. 

king_nothing1

I have a question too... I am around 1550 in live standard. Can you suggest me some book on positional play? I have Dvoretsky`s "strategic play but I have been advised not to read it yet. Current I have just started Silman's how to reassess your chess 3rd edition.

pdve

i am around 1600 live standard and dvoretsky is far too difficult for me.

dvoretsky is geared for high rated players looking to break into higher levels.

some of his books are entertaining for example endgame manual and analytical manual but you will struggle to learn anything from his school of excellence series.

_Number_6
king_nothing1 wrote:

. Current I have just started Silman's how to reassess your chess 3rd edition.

Good choice. 

red-lady

I think you do are, yes Wink

plutonia

I have Dvoretsky's endgame manual and I really like it. I don't find it too difficult at all.

I suggest to go ahead and buy Dvoretsky's books. Who cares if they are for higher rated players? You don't have to absorb 100%. Only if you absorb a fraction of a really high quality book you'll still better off than going for lesser authors.

Then chess is chess, it's up to you to put in the effort.

 

 

Dvoretsky: "after this extremely long hard line you're now +="

Silman: "after knowing the imbalance, such as the knight is better than the bishop if it has an outpost on the 6th rank, you'll win every game"

or "oh, you know how many masters can't do a Lucena? If you can do a Lucena that means you're at least an expert"

 

That's why people think Dvoretsky is hard to study. Because it doesn't tell you what you want to hear.

Stormstout

I loved Simple Chess by Stean. It introduced me into positional chess in 3 days. Small book, clear instruction and great games. I've read it twice. 

Robles_Ulises

thank you for all your advice, i have begun to read simple chess by stein and looks very informative and easy to read, i supose after that ill go for silman´s how to reassess your chess.

pdve

simple chess by stean is my favorite book though i have not finished it. i have read about 50% of it.

pdve

also, i have just started reading the amateurs mind and am somewhat enjoying it.

i was also looking at chess lessons by popov and found it extremely hard.Smile

btw, one book i HIGHLY recommend is MODERN IDEAS IN CHESS BY RICHARD RETI. AMAZING STUFF.

For example, he explains why Morphy was the first positional player. Before him, every move was either attacking or defensive but Morphy was the first player to play a move because of development. Like he gives a really cool variation in two gambits fashionable at the time and how Morphy changed the whole opening with one developing move.

For example, this was the line at the time..


and Morphy changed it by playing ..



PedoneMedio

If you're not too 4n4l about peculiar (but clearly stated and defined) terminology, I'd strongly recommend Kmoch's "Pawn Power in Chess".

Worth reading, writing pencil notes on it and reading again (e.g. I wrote a verbal summary of the important points at the margin of each game/fragment for a more efficient second reading).

Alec847
Robles_Ulises wrote:

do you think with 1700 standart rating im ready for it or should i go first with an easier book?

Before you read Dvoretsky read both the Art of Positional Play by Samuel Reshevesky and  Reassess your Chess 4 by Jeremy Silman  3 or 4 times.........

The Art of Positional Play by Samuel Reshevesky:

http://www.amazon.com/The-Art-Positional-Play-Chess/dp/4871874591/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1374428821&sr=8-2&keywords=the+art+of+positional+play

Reassess Your Chess 4 by Jeremy Silman

http://www.amazon.com/How-Reassess-Your-Chess-Fourth/dp/1890085138/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1374428863&sr=1-1&keywords=silmans+reasses+your+chess+4

Spend the time it takes to study Resheveskys and Karpovs games this is an education on positional chess in itself:

Samuel Reshevsky: A Compendium of 1768 Chess Games, with Diagrams, Crosstables, Some Annotations, and Indexes

http://www.amazon.com/Samuel-Reshevsky-Compendium-Crosstables-Annotations/dp/0786460938/ref=sr_1_sc_4?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1374428880&sr=1-4-spell&keywords=reshevesky+chess

My best Games of Chess by Anatoly Karpov (Edition Olms)

http://www.amazon.com/My-Best-Games-Progress-Chess/dp/3283010021/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1374429053&sr=1-2&keywords=karpov+games

How Karpov wins by Edmar Mednis

http://www.amazon.com/How-Karpov-Wins-Second-Enlarged/dp/0486278816/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1374429073&sr=1-1&keywords=how+karpov+wins

Karpovs strategic wins 1961-1985 by Tibor Karolyi

http://www.amazon.com/Karpovs-Strategic-Wins-Champion-1961-1985/dp/190655241X/ref=sr_1_5?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1374435048&sr=1-5&keywords=how+karpov+wins

Natalia_Pogonina

I have seen many 2400+ players intimidated by Dvoretzky's books. Being rated below 2200-2000, it doesn't even make sense to open them.

TheOldReb

Thanks Natalia !  I feel better since you said that !  Wink

GargleBlaster

The question is, is Dvoretsky ready for YOU

MUWHAHA

Sorry, that made no sense

I need to drink more



strikingtan
Natalia_Pogonina wrote:

I have seen many 2400+ players intimidated by Dvoretzky's books. Being rated below 2200-2000, it doesn't even make sense to open them.


Again, this is general. This statement may not pertain to you, the reader. For the brave-hearted, assure you are equipped with several hours per day, and a clear mind, for just one exercise: you just might need it.