Do you get better by being beaten all the time?

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praxiz

Topic says it all, really

rooperi

Well, not if you're being beaten the same way every time, I suppose.

I know a lot of people say you should play stronger opposition mostly. But I think you should play around your own level, so you learn to win as well as learn to lose. If that makes sense....

praxiz

Sense it makes.

CheeseShoppe

It makes no difference whatsoever whether you win or lose every time.  Improvement depends only on whether or not you come to understand why.  In practice, losing tends to be better for this for most people.  But very little in life is absolute.

granitoman

It depends if you are beaten every time the same way or a different way.

Jed_Leland

Yes, if you figure out why you're losing. Karpov said that the way to improve is to lose thousands of games. And Ray Charles said that he got better because he was determined to find out why he was losing so much.

honeybadJR

learn your mistakes will make you improve better.

johnyoudell

Twenty two games is not enough even to get used to how the pieces move never mind how to co-ordinate them.

Start worrying about winning and losing after fifty games. And if you get that far it means you like the game and you will almost certainly be winning and losing in roughly equal proportions against peple of a similar rating.

At that point the answer to your question is that when playing fairly markedly stronger opponents (say 200 rating points above you) you do learn more even though losing games. Especially if you take a few moments to ask the stronger player what they thought you did right in the game and what you did wrong.

varelse1

Playing stronger players helps you to take your game to the next level. But too many loses can hurt your self-confidence. Need to strike a balance, there.

SocialPanda

When I started to play I used to go to a club with many good players, I lost almost to absolutely everyone, excluding the people that were just learning how to play. At that time I never bothered to ask or check if they had fide ratings, it used to be that most of them were over 2000. 

It just make sense that I was always losing. But if you don´t get discouraged byt that, and can continue studying, there´s no problem.

Is worse if you just play weak opposition, you can´t win almost nothing like that (besides games).

DrFrank124c

Best way to learn is watch what they do to you and then you do it to others. Analysis of your games with a computer program is helpful. 

ruben72d

only if you analyse the games you played alone, and if possible with a stronger opponent. after all, you can only get better by playing a better opponent.

GSHAPIROY

Normally.

TheBigDecline

That's what I chose to believe.

BlueMarlin

Losing sucks, no doubt.  But I find that if I analyze every game, regardless of the time control, I start to see patterns of what causes me to lose.  Finding out your blind spots, using computer analysis, and your own analysis and even journaling, is priceless.  Ratings follow after this hard work is put in. But, again, you definitely have days that just suck.  

NomadicKnight

To modify an existing saying in order to fit this subject: "Those who fail to learn from their past losses are doomed to repeat them."

Serial_Regicide

If I won all the time I would get bored... and quit. Unless I was playing for money (lol) because I can always use more of that...Cool

Sometimes I do moves I am not certain of just because I know it will get weird...

ElKitch

Find out WHY you lost a game. What was the first time you lost a pawn or piece? What move would have prevented the loss?

Also losing a pawn or piece is not the end of the world, especially at your (and my) rating. Because you may be behind in material, but your position can be better (ahead in development, better placed pieces, perhaps a suicide attack on the king?).

Serial_Regicide

I am not  above a 'suicide' check on the opposing king if it gets me his queen... of course. As for failing to learn from past losses, I can always find new ways to lose LOL.

x-1198923638

I have not found anything that even helps me improve a little.   Thousands of games at all time control, lots of post analysis, board vision still sucks, none of my attacks work, none of my defenses work, hang pieces like crazy, I instantly "know why" but it's too late, and I play worse and slower than 99% of people on this site who are brand new to the game.  Tactics 1900, so it's not that.   I can't break 800 elo.   I think my brain is just defective.   I've tried to study opening theory but my memory is so bad I can't retain any of it past three or four moves.

I think some people just can't improve.