Do you think chess and mathematics are related?

Nor do they ever go on A holiday...

Instead, they take all of August off.  Much easier.

Mathematics deserves perfection.

And chess?

Is there a perfect move in every position?

I think so

Up to 6 pieces, TBS give it.

When I win it is 100% luck and 0% logic. :-)

Just some food for thought: I was watching a documentary on Fischer (or maybe reading something, I don't remember), and it was mentioned that his father may have been a physicist. Physics is all about spatial relationships, which is of course relevant. Perhaps people who have a natural inclination for physics are similarly inclined towards chess?

Hans-Gerhardt, the father of Bobby Fischer never entered America , and Regina was a single parent, raising Bobby along with his elder sister, Joan.

Maybe Bobby Fischer never saw his father

I think chess is scientifically proven as the best game that improves ur logic in the world, I have been the top 4 smartest in the school with maths but with chess everybody was laughing at me when I lost(when I was completely a begginer, last year). Here's the answer, u need perfection in training, proper perfect hardwork for success in chess/maths, dedication , willpower, determination, "AND JUST LIKE ME, HAVE A PASSION FOR BOTH" to be atleast a good maths/chess. U can do very extremely good in maths only, but very very extremely poorly in chess. U can do very extremely good in chess, but very very extremely poorly in maths. "IF U DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW SIMPLE MATHS/CHESS IS, THEN U DO NOT UNDERSTAND HOW COMPLICATED LIFE IS."

Correct; I was talking about a genetic propensity.

Do you believe in genetic propensity?

"Every chess-player can recognize and appreciate a ‘beautiful’ game or problem. Yet a chess problem is simply an exercise in pure mathematics (a game not entirely, since psychology also plays a part), and everyone who calls a problem ‘beautiful’ is applauding mathematical beauty, even if it is a beauty of a comparatively lowly kind. Chess problems are the hymn-tunes of mathematics."

G.H. Hardy, "A Mathematician’s Apology", p. 15

Can anyone say "Game Theory"

It is a field of mathematics that has been developed considerably by computer science.

Possibly the computers have caused people to think in a more mathematical way about chess than they used to? I can't recall anyone ever saying "White is 0.75 ahead" before computers started to express things in that way.

Here's the problem I find when comparing math to chess:  

Trying to prove that some line or variation is absolutely the best, most efficient way of achieving victory isn't possible, until chess itself is completely solved to the level of tic-tac-toe, at which point we no longer have a game.  I predict chess has fad continuations that makes such lines susceptible to the applicability of old chess theory, bringing the game full circle.  To make the point simpler... every buster line has a buster buster line.  After some x amount of buster lines, we eventually reach transposition to earlier theory games.  I really don't want the game to get to that point, but with computers becoming more powerful, we may reach the point in which every possibility and every variation has already been played, if we haven't already.

verybadbishop wrote:

Here's the problem I find when comparing math to chess:  

Trying to prove that some line or variation is absolutely the best, most efficient way of achieving victory isn't possible, until chess itself is completely solved to the level of tic-tac-toe, at which point we no longer have a game.  I predict chess has fad continuations that makes such lines susceptible to the applicability of old chess theory, bringing the game full circle.  To make the point simpler... every buster line has a buster buster line.  After some x amount of buster lines, we eventually reach transposition to earlier theory games.  I really don't want the game to get to that point, but with computers becoming more powerful, we may reach the point in which every possibility and every variation has already been played, if we haven't already.

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In other words, chess is an example of practical finite game theory. The whole of the field of mathematics known as Game Theory encompasses finite and infinite sets.

The ancient Greek Mathematicians liked finite mathematics because it gave them final answers. Historical records proved that this was true until 1997. On that date an ancient prayer book from the 1200s was discovered to contain some of the mathematical work of Archimedes. One particular work in that book proved that the ancient Greek mathematicians preferred finite math, but they also understood the concept of infinity and did mathematical work with infinity. That particular work of Ardchimedes is titled, "The Method" where he demonstrates using primitive calculus how to calculate the area under the curve on a graph.

I don't think it's particularly related, though they both seem like some kind of logical problem solving and thus the confusion between the two.

Yeah, almost superficially related.  Logic and patterns but the same could be used to related chess to many activities. 

More than anything it's likely that the strongest relationship between the two is the similar intellectual mystique society places on them.

Idiots don't know how to play chess well or do anything with math, so they both look like some kind of magic!

If you have one bucket of water with 7.5 litres and another bucket with 2.5 litres, how many buckets do you have ?

deux!

The correct answer is the square root of 4