Does being better at chess have anything to do with IQ?

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texasaboy

Does being better at chess have anything to do with Iq???

 

For reading this, this is a chess game (im white)

orchard_littlejoe

Absolutely not! No more than a better basketball player has a better I.Q.  You have to remember...chess is a game. That's all. A game where you out-fox your opponent by moving your pieces. Practice makes perfect !  That's all there is too it.

texasaboy

chess is a thinking game which might help u.

orchard_littlejoe

Texasboy is right...just a thinking game. Don't listen to those out there that try to relate the game to some math thing.  practice and you'll get better.

texasaboy
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trysts

You can never ever ever have too many chess/I.Q. threads! Constant reassurance that one is playing a game because it's smart is certainly a mustWink

plutonia

Intelligence is incredibly important to play chess.

Intelligence is the ability to learn and understand. You need this ability to understand opening theory, learning patterns, and of course even adapt to the new situations OTB. Being able to think and apply your knowledge to a new situation on the chessboard is nothing but pure intelligence.

 

Then of course those who are less intelligent can try to remedy with hard work. But that's the point. It takes more work to get the same result and you have a much lower potential. Exactly same thing that happens in the gym. Some people will have to train hard and with strict diet for years to be able to let's say to squat 100kg. Others that are naturally strong will reach that in few months and eating badly.

 

There's a genetic lottery, and this lottery by defition is unfair.

Regardless of what political correctness tells you.

Kingpatzer

The term "intelligence" is very nebulous and can mean many things. If you mean "IQ Scores," then the research has repeatedly shown that there is no meaningful correllation between IQ and chess performance. 

However, chess obviously is a game where the skills of of imagination, memory, calculation, analysis and evaluation matter a great deal. And those skills are mental skills. So in some respect there's clearly something about mental capacity that is involved. Just what it is hasn't been exactly figured out yet. 

ChessisGood

It is certainly involved. Imagine, for a moment, a person who is "challenged." Let's say he has an IQ of 60. This person will have trouble learning how to play, understanding general ideas, etc. because of his low IQ. Further, those with higher IQ often gain more chances to develop higher-order thinking skills than those who may be "challenged." However, the difference between a 120 and a 125 would probably be minimal.

Kvothe1988

"Topic: IQ/Chess blabla"

What non-chess players think: "Oh you play chess, you are so smart."

What average chess players think: "I hang my queen, but who cares people think I'm smart."

What good chess players think: .. I don't actually know, I'm not a good chess player XD

Kingpatzer
ChessisGood wrote:

It is certainly involved. Imagine, for a moment, a person who is "challenged." Let's say he has an IQ of 60. . . .

There is no good evidence that among chess players that IQ score correlates in anyway to chess ability. 

plutonia
Kingpatzer wrote:
ChessisGood wrote:

It is certainly involved. Imagine, for a moment, a person who is "challenged." Let's say he has an IQ of 60. . . .

There is no good evidence that among chess players that IQ score correlates in anyway to chess ability. 

 

But that's because there is an enourmous difference in the time and effort that has been put into the game, and also the access to better learning resources (from the right opening books to interesting opponents).

 

If it was possible to adjust for all these variables you can be sure that the person with higher IQ would be better at chess.

Kingpatzer
plutonia wrote:

If it was possible to adjust for all these variables you can be sure that the person with higher IQ would be better at chess.

Gee, let's see, 85 years of published research in scientific journals dating back Djakow, Petrowski & Rudik's groundbreaking 1927 paper or your opinion, which oh which should I consider as having more worth? Such a choice.  But since you tell me "I can be sure," then I guess all those psychologists, neurologists and cognative researchers are just full of it. 

plutonia

You clearly don't know what "controlling for a variable" means.

mike1973hall

One thing I do know is that chess is great fun and IQ are dull.

Kingpatzer
plutonia wrote:

You clearly don't know what "controlling for a variable" means.

You clearly haven't read the literature.

paulbottle

Knowing you are clever and why you are clever probably means you aren't. Do you have to be smart to play the piano, controling all those fingers etc? Personally I think you can be extremely good at something and not understand why, an idiot savant perhaps.