Does turn based chess hinder visualization?

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TheChessAnalyst

I just started playing turn based chess - well again - and I couldn't help thinking that with all the new software available - Chessbase in particular does turn based chess stop visualization growth. With chess base i can work on a variation -- even work on several splits inside a variation, write a quick note about the position, something as simple as += may do  -- and then explore a different line.

I do not need to memorize what the board looked like where I was examining multiple candidate moves because I just go back to that position. AND everything is visual. 

Seems to me that this can not be a good scenario for visualization improvement - although at 50 years  old its probably not a big concern for me, but for younger players who are just starting out and have potential, I think this could be a hindrance. 

 

Any thoughts?

 

TCA

Martin_Stahl

You can try and visualize, without actually keeping the variation for quick reference in your software. Depends on how you use it.

 

In your method, keeping all that data might help fine-tune your evaluation and calculation skills instead of your visualization ones, especially when going over it in post game analysis, to see if your evaluations were accurate for the variations you calculated.

thegreat_patzer

I think the two skills exist as yin-yan.  calculation versus visualization.  both necessary skills- related yet separate...

 

if you find yourself too obsessed with one; work on its opposite and things will be better.

 

for myself, turn-based chess is a good thing- but should not be allowed to consume all my time.  so, when I have more time I try to do a more thorough job of it-- and when I have less; I blitz out the moves.

lofina_eidel_ismail

i've never heard of it phrased that way as yin and yang😶

penandpaper0089

Personally I just don't use analysis in ongoing games and just treat it like any OTB game.

bong711

I agree daily chess should be treated as otb chess. If you join active chess tourney , 30 minutes gamess, you should make your moves within 1 minute.. Thinking for more than 3 minutes in daily chess could become a habit and you would have time troubles regularly in otb active chess.

penandpaper0089 wrote:

Personally I just don't use analysis in ongoing games and just treat it like any OTB game.

GnrfFrtzl

I don't agree. OTB and correspondence are vastly different.
No one should treat one like the other.

Candidate35
You can treat the daily games however you want, it's personal preference. Some use all the tools available to them and others play like it's a regular live game. Why not use daily games both ways? Calculate lines in your head then move the pieces and see if you visualized it the same way after your line?
Pulpofeira

Exactly. Besides, you can still play live too as you wish.

TheChessAnalyst

I have to agree with GnrFrtzl - OTB and correspondence are two completely different animals, and to be successful at either takes different sets of disciplines. 

I recently played a poster in this forum in a turn based game, who's rapid time control rating is  300 points higher than mine and I am sure he would crush me in a G30, but when we got into turn based chess I was able to neutralize that difference and score a rather convincing win because I was willing to put in hours of study, analyzing positions and comparing them to my database of almost 3 million GM, correspondence, and ICCF games, and searching tirelessly for tactical shoots.

 

It is kinda amazing how differently you see the board when you haven't looked at it in a day or two - your much less committed to a singular line of thought and more flexible when you see that it could lead to disaster.

 

TCA