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pehlasaathi

During one game I had one Rook and two pawns against only one pawn - even then I was offered a draw - What was in my opponent's mine? - Foot in Mouth

MEXIMARTINI

I didn't know this, but it looks like after 10 moves of the same move, the game does not offer but decides for the "draw"   sucks too because in a most recent game I had this player in check.   blows. 

Martin_Stahl
MEXIMARTINI wrote:

I didn't know this, but it looks like after 10 moves of the same move, the game does not offer but decides for the "draw"   sucks too because in a most recent game I had this player in check.   blows. 

 

What you described is probably triple-repetition of position and your opponent would have had to claim it. It would not have been automatic.

MEXIMARTINI

ok...so if he claimed it, I would have to agree right?  because I did not agree to that.  I would of went till 2027 on this game. 

Martin_Stahl

No. Triple-repition of position or 50 moves with no captures or pawn moves is automatic as soon as it is correctly claimed. Standard rules.

MEXIMARTINI

correctly claimed...as in the other player correctly claimed the draw? 

AutisticCath
MEXIMARTINI wrote:

ok...so if he claimed it, I would have to agree right?  because I did not agree to that.  I would of went till 2027 on this game. 

Chess.com's rule is that a draw is either being claimed or offered when you click the draw button. On threefold repetition, if your opponent clicks the draw button, the site claims a draw for him.

Other sites have an auto-claim draw feature which do this automatically.

Martin_Stahl

Well, I was trying to word it in such a way to state it is true of OTB and online play.

 

But as soon as the draw condition happens, or any subsequent occurrances, either player can declare (claim) the game drawn. Here, it just takes clicking the button and the system draws the game. 

AutisticCath
pehlasaathi wrote:

During one game I had one Rook and two pawns against only one pawn - even then I was offered a draw - What was in my opponent's mine? - 

Your opponent was probably a spammer who didn't want to lose. Sadly, there are spammers on this site. Personally, I think after 10 rejected draw claims, if the engine calculates you are in a clear losing position, you should be forced to resign.

mkkuhner

On chess.com, if the position is repeated three times and then one player hits "offer draw" the game is immediately drawn.  No consent by the other player is required, as the rules of chess say this is a draw.

In an OTB game, if the position is repeated three times there is a procedure for pausing the clocks and claiming the draw, which may have to be verified by the TD or arbiter.  Confusingly, the exact procedure varies between USCF and FIDE.  This happened in one of the blitz games in the World Cup:  amazing that the GM playing could spot the repetition (the same position had happened three times, but not in a row) and correctly claim it with seconds to spare.

The only time threefold repetition has happened to me recently, in a dual FIDE/USCF tournament, my opponent jumped up to get an arbiter and I said "Are you claiming a draw?  I accept!" because I felt I was losing!

MEXIMARTINI
Martin_Stahl wrote:

Well, I was trying to word it in such a way to state it is true of OTB and online play.

 

But as soon as the draw condition happens, or any subsequent occurrances, either player can declare the game drawn. Here, it just takes clicking the button and the system draws the game. 

OTB....ODB...OTB...ODB...clerical error?  what the heck does OTB mean?

SO the system loses patience.  man...donde esta patiencia these days!

player should have resigned.  I clearly had the win.  all good though. 

Martin_Stahl

If you clearly had a win you shouldn't have repeated the position three times wink.png

 

OTB = Over The Board

MEXIMARTINI
Martin_Stahl wrote:

If you clearly had a win you shouldn't have repeated the position three time 

 

OTB = Over The Board

it was ten times...got to the point when I thought, "screw this, i'm gonna keep putting this guy in check until he folds..  PRIDE over matter...

and pride never wins. 

didn't know about the rule either.  meh..live and learn.

AutisticCath

ODB means "over da board".

MEXIMARTINI
newengland7 wrote:

ODB means "over da board".

hahaa nice one!

Martin_Stahl

If you didn't continue checking did your opponent have counter play? If so, you may not have been winning.

MEXIMARTINI

huh?  I kept checking.  opponents king could only go one of 2 spots.  opponent kept choosing the one.  If the other was chosen, it would have been check mate.     I don't know how to put games on here or it would already be here.

Martin_Stahl

I looked it over. Your primary problem is that your bishop was hanging. With 3 days per move your opponent was never going to step back allowing the mate.

 

You could have grabbed the f3 pawn with check on move 24 and traded the bishop for the b4 pawn. There was still counterplay by white, so I don't know if that was best or not.

MEXIMARTINI
Martin_Stahl wrote:

I looked it over. Your primary problem is that your bishop was hanging. With 3 days per move your opponent was never going to step back allowing the mate.

 

You could have grabbed the f3 pawn with check on move 24 and traded the bishop for the b4 pawn. There was still counterplay by white, so I don't know if that was best or not.

SHEESH...stalker much?

Cool 

yea, I thought of the f3 more than once...thought of going different routes but I tell ya, I wanted to win that check battle.  rookie move yes.

thanks for checking it out

Martin_Stahl

Since we were talking about a specific game I figured I would take a look.  wink.png

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