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shosaman

Hi All, Please help me fins an answer to the following question.

Situation:

In a game I played recently, towards the end, this was the position

White: Only KING left on the board

Black: Queen, King and a Pawn

At this time, Black kept putting White King under Check in every move. Even after 14 moves of Black and 14 moves of White, Black could not check-mate white king. 

Is this considered a Draw? Are there any rules that specify how many moves Black and White within which Black has to check mate without which it is considered Draw? Some folks have told me that in this situation Black has to check mate White King within 14 moves. 

What is the Rule for Draw in this situation?

Regards,

TadDude
shosaman wrote:

Hi All, Please help me fins an answer to the following question.

Situation:

In a game I played recently, towards the end, this was the position

White: Only KING left on the board

Black: Queen, King and a Pawn

At this time, Black kept putting White King under Check in every move. Even after 14 moves of Black and 14 moves of White, Black could not check-mate white king. 

Is this considered a Draw? Are there any rules that specify how many moves Black and White within which Black has to check mate without which it is considered Draw? Some folks have told me that in this situation Black has to check mate White King within 14 moves. 

What is the Rule for Draw in this situation?

Regards,


From the "Learn" menu

http://www.chess.com/learn-how-to-play-chess.html

Draws

Occasionally chess games do not end with a winner, but with a draw. There are 5 reasons why a chess game may end in a draw:

1. The position reaches a stalemate where it is one player’s turn to move, but his king is NOT in check and yet he does not have another legal move

2. The players may simply agree to a draw and stop playing

3. There are not enough pieces on the board to force a checkmate (example: a king and a bishop vs. a king)

4. A player declares a draw if the same exact position is repeated three times (though not necessarily three times in a row)

5. Fifty consecutive moves have been played where neither player has moved a pawn or captured a piece.

DLin2013

I've heard of another rule which is this:

If one side doesn't have enough pieces to checkmate the opponent, such as just having the king left, and the other side does, such as a king and three pawns, the game is a draw if the side with sufficient mating material runs out of time on the clock. This is because the other side doesn't have enough material to checkmate the opponent anyway in any situation starting from the position where one of the players ran out of time.

Rasta_Jay

No, if you run out of time, even if you have a forced checkmate you'll lose. 

DLin2013
Rasta_Jay wrote:

No, if you run out of time, even if you have a forced checkmate you'll lose. 

But how come I've seen a draw prompt when my opponent once had one king left and I had a king and a few other pieces when I ran out of time?

JamesColeman

You're correct DLin. If you run out of time, and the opponent only has a bare king, it's a draw.

Haylem

How is the first one even a draw?!?!??? WHAT???? I have 2 queens and square and my king left. I should win!??? That's some bull CRAP.  That's easily a win lmfao. Just because the King can't move shouldn't mean a draw. That's check mate. WTF... 

podina

I just had a game where I was left with a bishop and my opponent had 2 pawns. Then he run out of time and it was a draw. But wasn't that the same situation like in Carlsen Firouzja game in the Blitz Championship last year: https://www.365chess.com/game.php?gid=4244258. Commentators said it was still a mate possible (alltough with white's help) so black won. Why is that different on chess.com?

Martin_Stahl
podina wrote:

I just had a game where I was left with a bishop and my opponent had 2 pawns. Then he run out of time and it was a draw. But wasn't that the same situation like in Carlsen Firouzja game in the Blitz Championship last year: https://www.365chess.com/game.php?gid=4244258. Commentators said it was still a mate possible (alltough with white's help) so black won. Why is that different on chess.com?

 

Chess.com does not use the FIDE implementation of insufficient material where mate just has to be possible by any series of legal moves. The site only looks at the material the side with time has and a king plus bishop is insufficient to mate.

 

Basically it is a little easier to implement the algorithm and is more similar to how the US Chess Federation does it.

DerpyShoelace

There is no such rule. The only rule that is atleast similar to it is the 50 move rule.

Basically if no pawn move has been made and no capture takes place in 50 moves, then either side can call the arbiter and claim a draw

podina

Thank you for the quick answer. Everyone having their own rules. That's confusing.

Caesar49bc
DLin2013 wrote:

I've heard of another rule which is this:

If one side doesn't have enough pieces to checkmate the opponent, such as just having the king left, and the other side does, such as a king and three pawns, the game is a draw if the side with sufficient mating material runs out of time on the clock. This is because the other side doesn't have enough material to checkmate the opponent anyway in any situation starting from the position where one of the players ran out of time.

 

Insufficiant mating material only applies in situation in which both players have insufficiant mating material.

It used to be that a position could be a dead draw, but a player might try to run the opponent's clock down in time pressure, in which a TD would be called over to declare a draw  but thats nearly a thing of the past with incremental time now.

suunnistus

Haha the first post. Since when is it a draw if you are unable to check the opponent in a move? 😂😂

Stalemate is a draw but that is when the opponent is not in check but has no legal moves with any of his pieces.

Not being in check with only a king is "nothing" as long as you are able to move the king.

If there is unsufficient material left (meaning none of the players have a teoretical chance to checkmate the opponent with the pieces,like lone king vs lone king, no checkmate possivle even after 200 moves), it is a draw. In the example one player has a queen so possible mate...