c3 is the point of Nd2, because I'm expecting d5 and I want to be able to play c3 after e5 c5
e4 e6 d4 c6- what is this?
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they didn't play d6, they played c6, which looks even weirder. It looks like it's making an extra unnecessary preparatory move for d5, as it's taking extra control of the square
I've always seen it try to go into a french or slav type of opening -- the d6 with c5/e5 would probably be better. In the end it's just a sneaky move order for whatever they're really trying to do -- it's a solid opening, certainly no refutation.
Of course most of the time they don't know it's a sneaky move order, you see it most often from patzers who don't know any openings, which is probably why you've won all your games against it :)
birdboy1 wrote:
they didn't play d6, they played c6, which looks even weirder. It looks like it's making an extra unnecessary preparatory move for d5, as it's taking extra control of the square
What he means is how the pawn structure develops from there. With e6 and c6 it does look like they're trying for d5 (with a caro/slav type) but they also have the option of using two moves to get in e5 or c5 and in the mean time play g6, d6, then hit with c5/e5 depending on how white's reacted. Sure e5/d5 has taken an extra move, but may be useful to avoid certain lines. Of course there are so many openings white can chose from out of this, it seems to me white will be comfortable no matter what, and in the end black just wastes a tempo (unless they just go for the caro/slav stuff with d5).
now I know this is a boring game with hideous errors, but is there a way black could have succeeded with the strange plan of a queenside expansion with b5?
Apr 26, 2010
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ECO[ 3]: C01
NIC[ 2]: FR.01
Long[ 3]: French defense
That is what the ECO code at WCL is telling me... I think it's possible that it is such a deviation, that it isn't categorized correctly.
(edit: i see it is different, but still this is intresthing i gues)
It is a pretty new style to play, called 'beginners game'
The aim is to have a solid defence against all kind of openings, genaraly these become slow and tactical games, i tried many af them myself
The defencive opening takes 'normaly' 8 moves in different order to play (possible for white and black) and looks like this.
More info is to find here :
http://www.beginnersgame.com/
birdboy1 wrote:
now I know this is a boring game with hideous errors, but is there a way black could have succeeded with the strange plan of a queenside expansion with b5?
There are openings that use knight pawn advances to gain space or as pawn breaks, but because they themselves have nothing to do with development or the center these are usually played in the middle game. Not only was black not set up to make this favorable to him, it also doesn't pose any threat to white's position at all. So in this case it just unnecessarily creates weak squares on black's queen side and you played well by simply ignoring it.
At best it would simply be a wasted tempo in the opening, black could have set up to play c5 and after a pawn trade (and if a4 isn't on the cards for white) he may have been ok.
it is for more defense in french defense.
I've seen this played many times, and have won every time. I can't find it in any opening database. I play Nd2, hoping to transpose into French Tarrach up a tempo, but nobody ever decides to do that. What is this opening called, and is it at all sound?