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inaciolino

Hey there! I'm new in chess and I have a question about ELO Performance in my games. I'm a low rated player (~1000) and I'm playing against the BOTs here in chess.com. If my rating is around 1000 and I'm playing BOTs around 1000 why the BOTs ELO Performance in the game is around 2000? Does it happens with human players? Have a playing strength way above his rating? Is that common? Thanks in advance for you help. See you!!!

 

This is the game I'm talking about!!!

 

 

P.S.: I'm using Lucas Chess to analyse my games!!!

notmtwain
inaciolino wrote:

Hey there! I'm new in chess and I have a question about ELO Performance in my games. I'm a low rated player (~1000) and I'm playing against the BOTs here in chess.com. If my rating is around 1000 and I'm playing BOTs around 1000 why the BOTs ELO Performance in the game is around 2000? Does it happens with human players? Have a playing strength way above his rating? Is that common? Thanks in advance for you help. See you!!!

 

This is the game I'm talking about!!!

 

 

P.S.: I'm using Lucas Chess to analyse my games!!!

Ratings do not measure your performance in a particular game.

They measure your combined performance in all the games you have played.

If you were rated 1000 and you beat a 1000 rated bot, your rating will increase. How much depends on how many games you have played and the difference between your rating and that of your opponent. Ratings move a lot when you are new.

How you lost, by resignation or checkmate, in 10 moves or in 50, does not matter.

Where are you getting this game performance rating? Lucas chess?

Sred

@inaciolino, the term "rating performance" is usually used to refer to the performance of a player against a set of rated opponents. This doesn't seem to apply here. What do you mean by it and why do you think the engine's performance was 2000?

inaciolino
Sred escreveu:

@inaciolino, the term "rating performance" is usually used to refer to the performance of a player against a set of rated opponents. This doesn't seem to apply here. What do you mean by it and why do you think the engine's performance was 2000?

 

If you use Lucas Chess to analyse your game it will give you a lot of information, one of them is the ELO Performance of the players.

 

What's strange to me is that "Your playing strength should be something around you rating". It's unnatural a 1000 ELO player performe at 2000 level. Does it happen in real life?

Sred
inaciolino wrote:
Sred escreveu:

@inaciolino, the term "rating performance" is usually used to refer to the performance of a player against a set of rated opponents. This doesn't seem to apply here. What do you mean by it and why do you think the engine's performance was 2000?

 

If you use Lucas Chess to analyse your game it will give you a lot of information, one of them is the ELO Performance of the players.

 

What's strange to me is that "Your playing strength should be something around you rating". It's unnatural a 1000 ELO player performe at 2000 level. Does it happen in real life?

It's unclear how Lucas Chess measures ELO performance. Certainly it's a heuristics that will try to give some kind of estimation, but will be awfully wrong in some cases. Sure, a player rated 1000 ELO may occasionally play a perfect game if the opponent goes wrong from the start. Would you say that they performed at 3000 ELO then? I wouldn't give anything about this kind of ELO estimation.

Sred

@inacioline Just curious: What ELO estimation does Lucas Chess give you for this game: https://www.chess.com/analysis/game/live/4425810275?

inaciolino
Sred escreveu:

@inacioline Just curious: What ELO estimation does Lucas Chess give you for this game: https://www.chess.com/analysis/game/live/4425810275?

 

3311 for White and 2050 for Black!!! Only one mistake was made, it was the Black's last move. Remember that the longer the game, the greater the chance of bad plays. Bad plays decrease the player's overall performance. As a matter of fact my CAPS in this game was 97%, it's a very high one.

Sred

This should be a sample of the reliability of the Elo estimation from Lucas Chess.

inaciolino
Sred escreveu:

This should be a sample of the reliability of the Elo estimation from Lucas Chess.

The chess.com CAPS was 97%. Does it mean that the CAPS is unreliable? 

drmrboss

What about this 3 min blitz, 41 moves game in another site ( I am 2200 in their blitz rating ).

What is elo performance in your system?

 

 

 

Sred
inaciolino wrote:
Sred escreveu:

This should be a sample of the reliability of the Elo estimation from Lucas Chess.

The chess.com CAPS was 97%. Does it mean that the CAPS is unreliable? 

Since it's not clear what CAPS values really mean, that's difficult to say. At best, it's a measure how close a player got to what the engine at 20ply considers best. Stockfish at 20ply is not particularly strong, so go figure. Additionally, what an engine considers best is often not what a sane human would choose. E.g., an engine may consider simplifying to a trivially won pawn endgame by sacrificing a pawn a "blunder" just because the evaluation drops from +9 to +5 or something like that.

The CAPS feature is certainly entertaining, but I wouldn't overrate it.