'En passant" should be Illegal

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WinstonChandelle

Afaque24 wrote:

 Infact advantage is not the right word,the right word is cheating, yes cheating, because basically pawn is doing something that is not in it's set of rules. "

 

Chess is supposed to represent the battle ground.  The pawn has a range that allows him to attack diagonally in front one square.  In a real life battle if somebody moves within the range of a soldier's attack, they will be killed.  When a pawn moves two squares pass another pawn, it has moved through the pawn's range of attack, therefore it makes perfect sense according to the rules of a pawn.

fewlio
WinstonChandelle wrote:

Afaque24 wrote:

 Infact advantage is not the right word,the right word is cheating, yes cheating, because basically pawn is doing something that is not in it's set of rules. "

 

Chess is supposed to represent the battle ground.  The pawn has a range that allows him to attack diagonally in front one square.  In a real life battle if somebody moves within the range of a soldier's attack, they will be killed.  When a pawn moves two squares pass another pawn, it has moved through the pawn's range of attack, therefore it makes perfect sense according to the rules of a pawn.

 

pawns can move two spaces, past the attacking square of knight, bishop, rook, queen or king.  those pieces are soldiers on the battlefield as well, so why can't they en passant?

Afaque24
WinstonChandelle wrote:

Afaque24 wrote:

 Infact advantage is not the right word,the right word is cheating, yes cheating, because basically pawn is doing something that is not in it's set of rules. "

 

Chess is supposed to represent the battle ground.  The pawn has a range that allows him to attack diagonally in front one square.  In a real life battle if somebody moves within the range of a soldier's attack, they will be killed.  When a pawn moves two squares pass another pawn, it has moved through the pawn's range of attack, therefore it makes perfect sense according to the rules of a pawn.

Totally wrong logic, if the pawn is capturing because the opponent pawn has moved out of range near the oawn then why not all such pawn moves be allowed to capture?.. So you are logic is invalid. 

Afaque24
checkinthrees wrote:
Errr it is indeed a rule of chess and it is in the rule book, it was introduced at the same time as when you were allowed to move the pawn two spaces at the start. They go hand in hand and are a RULE and in the book.

No I am sure I read it right, it was introduced by French to stop free movement of the pawns. 

 

Kappuukekki
WinstonChandelle wrote:

Afaque24 wrote:

 Infact advantage is not the right word,the right word is cheating, yes cheating, because basically pawn is doing something that is not in it's set of rules. "

 

Chess is supposed to represent the battle ground.  The pawn has a range that allows him to attack diagonally in front one square.  In a real life battle if somebody moves within the range of a soldier's attack, they will be killed.  When a pawn moves two squares pass another pawn, it has moved through the pawn's range of attack, therefore it makes perfect sense according to the rules of a pawn.

Another hypocrite , A pawn can move forward and capture pieces 1 diagonal squares up his front .

That is the main moves of a pawn , So by that you are saying a pawn shouldn't be able to move 2 squares forward in the opening ?

The En Passant capture is not forward . It's diagonal and the rule has existed for centuries and more centuries to come .

Deal with it .

Kappuukekki
checkinthrees wrote:
No you read it wrong you could only move your pawn one square, they then decided to “speed” the game up allowing to move two squares at start en passant was introduce at this time to prevent the player who was under the cosh tying up game with the two square pawn move.It’s a chess thing

Nah I didn't read it wrong I interpreted it the way you said it .

I'd adopt you 10 - 0 without en passant anyways xD 

 

Afaque24
checkinthrees wrote:
No you read it wrong you could only move your pawn one square, they then decided to “speed” the game up allowing to move two squares at start en passant was introduce at this time to prevent the player who was under the cosh tying up game with the two square pawn move.It’s a chess thing

You are not getting the point here, the two square move occurs mostly during the opening game, but En passant mostly mostly happens at a crucial middle-end game moment, and the pkayer whobuses it first wins 90% of the time. Check the databases of all games.  Ever payed. It is Evidence of my argument. 

kingprawn

What a load of bullocks!  You play chess. You like chess. This is chess. It has remained unchanged for centuries - i.e. for more than 101 years, and longer than you can remember. Don’t waste your breath. It’s not going to change. Learn a different game if you don’t like it.

generickplayer
Afaque24 wrote:
Chessflyfisher wrote:

 I guess that I will get a warning but I am going to say what most of us want to say: The OP is an idiot!

Well I don't think so, I challenge anyone who can prove me wrong. Infact advantage is not the right word,the right word is cheating, yes cheating, because basically pawn is doing something that is not in it's set of rules. 

There are more than a billion games in this site database, I can easily say of all the games where en passant played, it is the Player who played it first won 90% of the time finally, yes I can prove it, open and see all the games the person who played it first won 90% of the time. 

Just like mathematicians proved their own theorems ,I stick to my theory too. 

En passant is Illegal. Hence proved. 

The pawn is operating in its set of rules. En passant is part of the pawn's rules, since en passant is one of the rules of chess.

BTW, why don't you make another post complaining how the pawn can move either one OR two moves in the beginning? It's ridiculous. It's caught me off-guard a few times in the endgame and I would like to get rid of it since the player is always right.

inkiappetteitor

not to talk of the advantage knights have to jump pieces...

DiogenesDue

Don't feed the trolls.

inkiappetteitor

black and white have both 8 pawns, and each of them the same right to move 1 or 2 squares from the starting line. Where's the advantage? The only advantage ( or maybe just difference) between whites and blacks is the right to move first. That is overcome by alternating colors for players.

nils78

it was invented to prevent that players close down the position and play for draw. A good idea in my opinion.

laminat0r

The rule isn't really mysterious at all.  You just need to think about the history of the game, and the "battlefield" representation that the rules are trying to depict.  The idea is that 'pawns' are front line pikemen working together in a phalanx-like formation.  The initial 2-move rule for a pawn is something like an initial 'charge' into battle.  The idea behind 'en passant' is that if the "capturing" pawn is ready and waiting for the opposing pawn, it is able to intercept that pawn's movement, and capture the piece "in passing" (as it blithely attempts to stride ahead, oblivious to the waiting pike).  You might better ask:  why can't a pawn intercept/capture a rook that travels past it in a similar way?  Perhaps the rook is a chariot and is too swift or well armoured.

WinstonChandelle
laminat0r wrote:

The rule isn't really mysterious at all.  You just need to think about the history of the game, and the "battlefield" representation that the rules are trying to depict.  The idea is that 'pawns' are front line pikemen working together in a phalanx-like formation.  The initial 2-move rule for a pawn is something like an initial 'charge' into battle.  The idea behind 'en passant' is that if the "capturing" pawn is ready and waiting for the opposing pawn, it is able to intercept that pawn's movement, and capture the piece "in passing" (as it blithely attempts to stride ahead, oblivious to the waiting pike).  You might better ask:  why can't a pawn intercept/capture a rook that travels past it in a similar way?  Perhaps the rook is a chariot and is too swift or well armoured.

That's what I was trying to say... you said it much more eloquently!! thumbup.png

THELONELYSPONGE
I think you’re butt hurt because you lost a game! SAD!
RetGuvvie98
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btickler said :   Don't feed the trolls.  

 

totally agree with btickler.

kindaspongy

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/En_passant

"En passant (from Frenchin passing) is a move in chess.[1] It is a special pawncapture that can only occur immediately after a pawn makes a double-step movefrom its starting square, and it could have been captured by an enemy pawn had it advanced only one square."

http://www.chesscorner.com/tutorial/basic/passant/passant.htm

"This special way of capturing is called capturing en passant and is abbreviated e.p. En passant is a French expression which means "in passing" The en passant capture must be done immediately after the black pawn advances two squares. If White plays another move she cannot then decide to capture en passant..."

https://www.chess.com/chessopedia/view/en-passant

"En passant (from French: "in passing") is a maneuver in chess which is performed after a player moves a pawn two squares forward from its starting position, and an opposing pawn captures it as if it had only moved one square.  En passant may only be played immediately after a two-square square pawn advance, or the right to capture "in passing" is lost..."

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