Etiquette of running down clock in a winning position (Mate in 1) when opponent refuses to resign

"^The correct answer might be that it may send a message to the player who refuses to resign, prompting him/her to resign in the future, saving time overall."

That seems pretty implausible, though. So instead of writing a comment, telling your opponent that you didn't like his etiquette when he didn't resign, you waste 10 minutes of running out your clock to do the same thing? Writing a comment would take maybe 10 seconds by comparison. You have to assume that waiting for 10 minutes is going to be so moving that your opponent will change his ways, but that's just wishful thinking and probably not a great way to live life. Imagine if you were that inefficient multiple times a day for many different activities (and conveniently justified it by saying "I'm making a statement."). People tend to overestimate how effective these "lessons" are and underestimate how inefficient they are.

"There's every right to do so, I should add, since the opponent may always give up."

Having a right to do so doesn't make doing it morally good, though. If that were the case, then never resigning would always be morally ok, something that many people would not want to accept.

As to whether morality is a social construct, it's irrelevant, here. Whether it's a social construct or not, it was simply what was being talked about in this thread. You can decide not to care about morality, but if the thread was about morality, it's not surprising that people would stay on-topic and talk about it.

Some players seem constitutionally incapable of resigning even when their positions are hopelessly lost.  Maybe they consider resignation dishonorable or they believe in miracles.  I think it's dumb psychologically.  Why prolong your misery?  Resign and move on to the next game.  In standard or daily chess, I wouldn't appreciate having to invest more time in a game that is already clearly won but it doesn't bother me in blitz or bullet.  I don't take it personally.  I don't try to punish my opponent for not resigning.  I just try to mate him as quickly as possible.   

If I see my opponent can mate me in less then five moves I let them do it- it takes just as long as resigning.

If I'm a queen down and there isn't an obvious mate but I know I can't win THEN I'll resign.

Anyway, your complaining that he is wasting your time...

So then why waste your own time even more?

With the due respect, that doesn't say much about you. While everyone can do with his/her time whatever it please him/her, you cannot nor shouldn't expect the people to resign when you think they should. Maybe they don't see that fur as you do, and still don't see the position is lost. Maybe they're hoping for your running out of time. Maybe they simply don't want to.

 

What I do is, as soon as I see the option to mate, I mate. I win. Game over. Next game. Play on. What's the point in waiting? Do you get any personal satisfaction? Don't get me wrong, I'm not trying to beat you up - it's just I don't understand what the point is in doing so. Would you do the same over the board? I bet you wouldn't. Just have class - show your skills, mate your rival, say good game, and play on.

 

My two cents. Regards.

Etiquette is one thing, but is there a rule that says "You must resign" in a lost position? The clock is there for a reason and it is every players right to use their time whatever they deem ethical or not. Annoying but legal. 

I don't think either thing is bad etiquette. If you play a timed game the clock is a huge part of that. I've won so many bullet games because of time and I've made so many stupidly good moves because of time, like when there's a second left so I do an unprotected attack on the queen or an unprotected check. This is all part of the game. As for not resigning, if everyone resigned a lost position no one would see out an endgame. Also chances are a blunder led to the lost position so chances are a blunder could then save it. I resign sometimes if I have loads of games on the go or if I'm at the start of a forced checkmate but usually I don't resign and it's given me so many victories that I think anyone is foolish resigning early. Even in daily chess I've had a blunder so bad I've won when incredibly behind on points. Expecting someone to resign or insisting on it is bad etiquette imo.

In blitz I don't resign if my opponent is down to his last minute and I think he might run out of time even though I'm lost on the board. But if he has a healthy amount of time left then I'll concede the game.

 

I've had opponents who just sit there when they know they are going to lose, but then I get a win for an abandoned game typically before the clock runs out. And I'm sure the player will get a penalty if he does that too often, so he's really just hurting himself.

 

Yeah, supposedly if they do it often, they'll get some kind of penalty.  But what's considered often and what's the penalty?  Whatever it is, evidently it's not severe enough to discourage the behavior.  A lot of players stop playing and let their time run out in lost positions.  That's why I don't play slower time controls.  Waiting a couple of minutes because my opponent has stopped playing is one thing but waiting 20 or 30 minutes is another.  Some players cannot accept that they've been beaten and apparently stop playing to punish their opponents by wasting their time.  It's incredibly immature.

 

If you want the game to end early, YOU can always resign.  It's pretty simple: you don't know what your opponent's reasoning is so just give him the bebefit of the doubt.  What you've described is poor sportsmanship behavior on your part.

 

Also based on the username of the author of this discussion you don't have great etiquette either.
They are rewarding you by letting you checkmate them, checkmating feels better then having your opponent resign. I like opponents who play till the end because I like to win by checkmate, and it shows they care and are trying to put up a fight.
Oh and one last thing. Waiting till your time runs out when you are going to get checkmated in one move is perfectly legal and definitely not abuse, it is just bad etiquette. For all you know your opponent might be trying to find a way to stop the mate(not everyone is a National Master like you) and while I strongly dislike people who do that when time controls are above 5 min each, I understand that it is a right that they have.

There does seem to be a certain irony in complaining about wasted time and then... wasting your own time :) If the reason you don't like people playing on is because it wastes time, why would you want to waste time by waiting on your move? You're just wasting your own time at that point. Supposedly, you must have felt like waiting around for 5 minutes was not a waste, since you did it, but most people would consider that wasteful.

Point being, the truth is, a lot of us waste time :) A lot of us spend our time in silly ways. We want to think people who prefer to play on in lost positions are the only people who are like that, but most of us find our own way to waste time, whatever it may be :)

People should think about that before they hit "snooze."  Those 300 seconds are gone forever.

no one knows.. could be deliberate.. could be otherwise.. (maybe legit internet problem)..

we're here for fun..  after all theres the block button.. 

You mad cuz I did that to you?

Nigel Short was confronted by an opponent who wouldn't resign in a  dead lost position. He did a classic double take, then sat down and pretended to study the position really hard. A crowd of people started to gather around. Eventually, the sod who shoulda resigned earlier finally resigned in embarrassment.