Evidence Fischer likely suffered from some kind of mental illness

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Kittysafe

I'm under the impression that Fischer suffered from Aspergers and possibly a mild case of paranoid schizophrenia. 

The man exhibited many symptoms of both, from a genius at chess, highly ethical  standards with an inexhaustible amount of demands on tournaments, to thinking the Russians were manipulating his mind through gold fillings... taken individually these things might not seem all that severe, but together they paint a picture... add to that his reclusive, bitter, unhappy nature, defiant, impossible to work with, am I missing anything? 

OsageBluestem

That's sad.

wowiezowie

I'd say he's a case for the books. 

Kittysafe
It is sad, I literally cried watching "Anything to Win", the man was a Greek tragedy. Fischer stayed at m grandparents house a weekend in Wisconsin many years ago, my grandfather being a famous state champion for 5 years and chess columnist for many years.
alec39


A long while back I read an article by a psychologist who said Bobby Fischer didn't meet all the necessary criteria for schizoprenia or asperger syndrome he said he may have suffered from paranoid personality disorder:

http://www.miller-mccune.com/culture/a-psychological-autopsy-of-bobby-fischer-25959/

Kittysafe
I believe Fischer was truly the greatest mind to play chess, I wonder what a Fischer-Carpablanca game would have looked like.   by the way, thanks for the link, Alec.
trysts

Fischer's about as much of a genius, as a calculator is. When I think of Fischer, I think, 'even assholes are good at games'.Laughing

TheGrobe

TheGrobe wrote:

What use is all this armchair psychology?  Are any of us really qualified, especially not having even met Bobby Fischer?


Did we really need this thread again?
theoreticalboy

I dunno about Fischer himself, but there seems to be irrefutable evidence that everyone who talks about Fischer having a mental illness on the internet has some sort of debilitating affliction.

Timotheous
Evidence supports that drinking water rich drinks reduces chances of dehydration.
dashkee94

Fischer was never rich, so I guess that he's the poor man's eccentric.

Skwerly

i have often thought of the aspergers bit... seems plausible, at least.  bobby was a bad mofo on the board, though.  :)

Timotheous
Jesus christ!!!
happyfanatic
NKT73 wrote:

These are just stories.  It may be true and it may be false.  You do NOT know for sure unless you were there yourself.  If you were THE LORD God Jesus Christ, you would know for sure.  Unfortunately, none of us is God!!


But at least we can put a picture of the guy as our avatar.  Isn't that a bit blasphemous to Lord Jesus to make him into your personal avatar?  Instead of imagining Jesus as being representative of you, shouldn't you be  representative of him?   

cimfischer

Money mouthOMG

Kittysafe

Perhaps chess at a certain level is the symptom  of a disorder.

dannyhume

Of course, everything is a spectrum.  

Someone who studies/practices a lot in any field and is considered top 10 in the world may be labelled "obsessive-compulsive personality disorder" but s/he may shoot back "but there is no way to achieve this level of accomplishment without being strictly disciplined day in and day out without exception" and the other may reply "see I told you that you had an obsessive compulsive personality".  

We also know that at higher levels of competition, there is likely a greater amount of chicanery and psychological sabotage, so a degree of paranoia is understandable among those at the highest levels as opposed to someone at my level (even though people cheat and collude against me all the time, and I can only beat their engines about 40% of the time...easier to keep the next Fischer down by keeping him at a 1000-ish level USCF, rather than waiting until he is 2785 to collude against him, see?).  

So, Fischer had signs of Asperger's, schizophrenia, paranoia, obsessive-compulsive personality disorder, arrogantia, etc, which a lot of people who excel in fields probably have.  That, or what he said actually happened.  Or didn't.

dannyhume

crazy fresh. crazy silly fresh.

Kittysafe

I only wrote several evidences, I didn't mean I based my conclusion on just them.  Watching interviews with the man, knowing his history, his behavior, one can conclude he was obviously a narcissist, if he was more?  One cannot be sure.

frrixz
Kittysafe wrote:

I'm under the impression that Fischer suffered from Aspergers and possibly a mild case of paranoid schizophrenia. 

The man exhibited many symptoms of both, from a genius at chess, highly ethical  standards with an inexhaustible amount of demands on tournaments, to thinking the Russians were manipulating his mind through gold fillings... taken individually these things might not seem all that severe, but together they paint a picture... add to that his reclusive, bitter, unhappy nature, defiant, impossible to work with, am I missing anything? 


Not everybody with Aspergers suffers because of it.