French Defense played at highest level?

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Gensokyo_Millenium

Is the french defense played at GM/Super GM level a lot or at all? If yes/no, why/why not?

sndeww

yes I believe Short played it?

whladislav

Magnus and Karjakin played for sure

whladislav

Magnus won with black

pinkblueecho

Though clearly not as popular as the E5 or C5, the French Defense has been played by Carlsen, So, Rapport, Giri, Nepomniatchi, and Grischuk in recent years.

In fact, Anish Giri just released a course this week on the French Defense (Winawer as the main line, but also covers the usual suspects and some ununsual sidelines) on chessable. There is a FREE short & sweet version with 80 minutes of video to enjoy: https://www.chessable.com/short-sweet-french-defense/course/48354/

Steven-ODonoghue

Acting what way? Everything he said was true. That guy is a troll who opens new accounts every few days.

Steven-ODonoghue

It's best to just avoid @TheLmposter and to block any of his new accounts when they come your way

pinkblueecho
Pepega_Maximum hat geschrieben:

Do you think that many people would rather play the c5 tarrasch or Nf6 tarrasch at the higher levels?

 

To name one top level player, Caruana has played both multiple times OTB. According to the other site´s database, c5 has been played 12,838 times and Nf6 12,748 at the master level. 

captainnegi

short was the master of french and he wrote books on french.

captainnegi

french is revisiting at high level with good new ideas. 

pinkblueecho
pfren hat geschrieben:
captainnegi έγραψε:

short was the master of french and he wrote books on french.

 

Name one of them.

 

New Ideas in the French Defense (1991). I haven't read it but it would be interesting to compare with Anish Giri's recent masterwork.

pinkblueecho
pfren hat geschrieben:
pinkblueecho έγραψε:
pfren hat geschrieben:
captainnegi έγραψε:

short was the master of french and he wrote books on french.

 

Name one of them.

 

New Ideas in the French Defense (1991). I haven't read it but it would be interesting to compare with Anish Giri's recent masterwork.

 

These "Trends In" and "New ideas in" books of the early nineties were effectively database dumps without any engine analysis (quite natural, engines did not exist then). Add to this the fact chess databases were missing a lot, as the internet was still an infant. At the late eighties I was doing analytical work for the Greek National Chess team using a Panasonic laptop weighting some 6 kg, and which cound use a couple of 720K floppies and a base 640kb of RAM- no hard disk was present, and the CPU was some 10,000 times slower than a modern cheapo smartphone.

Thanks for the info, I appreciate it.

llama
Pepega_Maximum wrote:

Is the french defense played at Super GM level a lot or at all?

I don't remember the last time I saw a super GM play it.

 

Pepega_Maximum wrote:

why?

It's not the easiest way to equalize.

As a super GM you want a super theoretical draw, you don't want to play chess the way 99.9999% of others play it heh.

pinkblueecho
llama hat geschrieben:
Pepega_Maximum wrote:

Is the french defense played at Super GM level a lot or at all?

I don't remember the last time I saw a super GM play it.

 

Pepega_Maximum wrote:

why?

It's not the easiest way to equalize.

As a super GM you want a super theoretical draw, you don't want to play chess the way 99.9999% of others play it heh.

 

It was played twice at the Candidates this year. 

llama

I haven't been following chess lately so I didn't know that.

I'm surprised though, I wonder what the idea was... hmm, maybe if white is forced to play for a win (the candidates isn't a tournament where you go for a draw with white or hide your prep) black might get an unbalanced position, so maybe it's a way to play for 3 results.

Gunther-Ratsinburger
Pepega_Maximum wrote:

Is the french defense played at GM/Super GM level a lot or at all? If yes/no, why/why not?

Yes it is.

why ? Because many GMs and some superGMs are exponents of it or like to play it.

mockingbird998

Not too often, but they do. I don't understand why grin.png I hate it for black, Especially after watching a course with the move 3.Bd3. It's a very tricky move and it's hard for black to find something good against it.

sndeww
mockingbird998 wrote:

Not too often, but they do. I don't understand why  I hate it for black, Especially after watching a course with the move 3.Bd3. It's a very tricky move and it's hard for black to find something good against it.

just take the e-pawn and play Nf6, winning a tempo back?

mockingbird998
SNUDOO wrote:
mockingbird998 wrote:

Not too often, but they do. I don't understand why  I hate it for black, Especially after watching a course with the move 3.Bd3. It's a very tricky move and it's hard for black to find something good against it.

just take the e-pawn and play Nf6, winning a tempo back?

I put the bishop on f3, and then Ne2 is very nice position

lego_manfacture7

Vlado kovačević (Croatian GM) used the french defense to beat Bobby Fischer in 1970, game is crazy as hell lol

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