Given your IQ, what's the highest Chess rating you can realistically attain?

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FreyasPawn

Not that small - according to http://iq-test.learninginfo.org 2.2% of us are 130+:

130+ Very superior 2.2%

120-129 Superior 6.7%

110-119 High average 16.1%

90-109 Average 50% 80-89 Low average 16.1%

70-79 Borderline 6.7% Below 70 Extremely low 2.2%

While I'd expect some correlation between IQ and chess ability, it'd only be rough.  IQ is a very inexact concept, for a start.

Eo____

IQ is a good measure of intelligence. Obviously a person who is unable to think logically won't score a 130 on an IQ test. Similarly, a person who is quick to understand, who is good with words and numbers, is not going to score 70, unless he is blind or has some other disability that prevents him from taking the test in the same manner as everybody else.

Eo____

Fiveofswords, wou seem to be thinking about those stupid online IQ tests where 90% of the test takers score at least 120. A real IQ test, like the type of IQ test professional psychologists give patients, is more complicated and measures different areas of intelligence. Those IQ tests not only measure the patient's ability to find the next item in a sequence or to choose the right synonym, they also measure other areas of intelligence such as short term memory, spoken verbal abilities, and multitasking. For example, the psychologist might give the patient a list of numbers and ask him to memorize it, to repeat it, to repeat it backwards, and so on. The psychologist might then recite another list of numbers and ask the patient to repeat it, but this time while performing another intellectual task, such as an arithmetic calculation. The list of numbers is then increased, the second intellectual task gets more complicated, and so on. The psychologist might also ask the patient to define an item. For example: "what's a roller coaster?", and depending on the patient's answer gauge his level of verbal intelligence. I personally don't even know how I would describe a roller coaster :(. "An amusement ride that resembles a high speed small train that goes on a track with several twists and turns?" See what I mean? My answer sucks, and it took me a while to put it together, and I might not even have correctly defined what a roller coaster is (the actual metal framework as opposed to the roller coaster cars), so I probably wouldn't get too many points on the verbal intelligence part of the test. Had I been able to spontaneously give a nicer, more concise, dictionary-like definition, I would have done much better on that part of the test, and it likely would have meant that my level of verbal intelligence is higher.

orangehonda

Wow isn't this thread dead yet, what's wrong with you people Tongue out

orangehonda

Yeah, obviously the IQ test measures something, and it gives you a score comparable to others, but no one can answer "what is intelligence" least of all a test that spits out a nice round number.  Just go to some philosophy forum and read pages and pages of people postulating about it but never coming to a conclusion (better yet buy a book and try to decide for yourself).

I'm not saying IQ tests have nothing to do with intelligence, obviously it takes some kind of intellect to answer question correctly.  But when it comes to IQ you're looking in the wrong place to relate something to chess ability.  Even the guy who came up with the IQ x 10 +1000 said the idea of IQ relating to a maximum rating is pretty flimsy in the first place.

Basically we have:

IQ does not = intelligence
intelligence does not = chess ability (or the other way around)
and even
rating does not = chess ability

And even if you assume all three of those as true, you're still not going to find a formula that works.  That's why padman and I a few pages back ridiculed the very idea of it by supporting the laughable IQx20 - 800 formula just because Fischer's purported (but not factual by the way) IQ was 180 and 180x20-800 = 2800.

In short, not one part of this idea works.  This thread is now ready to be hijacked into another topic about waffles vs pancakes... or not, whatever Tongue out

empujamadera

Who are smarter, pancake or waffle eaters?

Conflagration_Planet
empujamadera wrote:

Who are smarter, pancake or waffle eaters?


 I don't know, but I must be a genius since I eat both.

tyberius

are there any mensa members out there?  perhaps they can explain IQ for us.  Have any of you ever heard of EQ.  EQ = emotional intelligence which has recently been compared to IQ in importance to potential success of an individual.  After all, the world is full of people with high IQ's that aren't wealthy or successful. . . .

Eo____

EQ will help you not get fired from your job if you suck at it, but it won't get you to the top. IQ will.

electricpawn
Eo____ wrote:

EQ will help you not get fired from your job if you suck at it, but it won't get you to the top. IQ will.


 IQ comes into play in the work place, but as long as you perform you job well you don't have to be a raving Einstein. Smart or dumb, if you suck at your job you'll probably lose it.

An intelliigent person without social skills will not thrive and advance like an average person with EQ skills. Read Think and Grow Rich by Napolean Hill. The term emotional intelligence may be recent, but similar thinking has existed for some time. 

empujamadera
Schackoo wrote:
NrthrnKnght wrote:

There is a chess IQ as there is a mechanics IQ as there is a gardening IQ as there is a math and physics IQ.I have known doctors who are dumber than a board and I know grocery clecks who could clean their(doctors) clocks in chess.So you make the connection.....


Then we have the general IQ-factor, known as the "g-factor". The higher your g-factor, the higher number of fields available for you to master. My g-factor has been assessed by psychologists to be in the 99th percentile range, so that maybe explains why I find so many fields of knowledge interesting. Music, mathematics, languages,epistemology and now chess has been added to my fields of interest.

If my g-factor is correctly assessed, I would most probably have the capacity to reach 2000+ FIDE in chessrating (but it will take me time and experience to get there).


Would that be GQ? It might explain why chess is mostly a man's game.

GrantZierer

The better you are at math the better you probably are at chess.

thesexyknight
grantchamp wrote:

The better you are at math the better you probably are at chess.


If you look at the 8 different example of "multiple intelligence" as defined by Gardner, mathematical/logical is a different area than spatial. I'd consider chess to be more of spatial reasoning than anything else.

fernandess1

His lack... There is a correlation between IQ and rating on a scale from 40% to 70%

 

To learn the true relationship between FIDE ELO rating and IQ score is only using the following equation: RE=1282+17,3(IQ-100)

Thus a 2000 FIDE rating would be a chess IQ of 142 points!

RE 1750 equals IQ 127

RE 1800 equals IQ 130

RE 1975 equals IQ 140

RE 2100 equals IQ 148

RE 2200 equals IQ 153

RE 2400 equals IQ 164

RE 2500 equals IQ 170

RE 2700 equals IQ 182

RE 2800 equals IQ 187

RE 2900 equals IQ 194

RE 3000 equals IQ 200

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fernandess1

My FIDE rating is 2132, which would amount to an IQ (chess) of 150 points. But my IQ is 157 calculated

rooperi

I see I posted somewhere in this topic. Can anyone remember what I said? Wouldn't like to contradict myself.....,

bigpoison
rooperi wrote:

I see I posted somewhere in this topic. Can anyone remember what I said? Wouldn't like to contradict myself.....,


I remember.  You said the horsie is better than Fischer.

electricpawn

I didn't start this thread. I think Eo____ did, and I do't know how it was attributed to me. I'm surprised it's stiil active.

yathartha_says_bruh

I AM LIKE 600 BUT WHEN I TOOK THE IQ TEST MY IQ WAS COMING IN 126...

LowerYourExpectations
That is because 600 is likely not your peak chess rating if you continue to play and improve, and also because IQ is somewhat of an arbitrary measure and has little to do with chess. Hikaru Nakamura and Magnus Carlson are both fabulous chess players, despite their differing Intelligence Quotients.