Go VS Chess

Is this the thread where we play a game of go.

I volunteer to make the first move.

I play M3.

Ok your move.

thas called "blind Go" i can try but plz use numbers instead of letters :) and (only if you can) the name of the move (for example, 17-16 komoku)

in the case of m3 it cas no name as a first stone so i play 16-16 hoshi :3

edit: i know this is a site of chess but i cant avoid to get exited with go im srry :s

how important is to learn fuseki theory in chess? mm in Go its very important, but you can play josekis you dont even know just by playing good moves (thats why in go its not really necesary to study josekis if you can read moves well) but in chess you can mate in 4 moves (tell me if im wrong) if my oponent doesnt know the shape

(by now im trying to improve my chess for fun but i dont know what do i must study) (again im srry for my bad english D:)

Depends on what you mean by "fuseki" and "joseki", which, if I recall having read said terms earlier, means "global play" and "local play". 

There really is no equivalent in chess, since the chessboard is more than half the size of a Go board - pretty much everything is "joseki", in a sense.

Or perhaps good chess counterparts to those terms are "tactical" and "positional" play, which, similar to Go, is differentiated by the nearness of achieving a certain goal and the former is "inside" the latter - positional play regards the long-term strategy and the molding of the situation on the board into your favour, while tactical play is the method by which said strategy is executed.

Tactical play: "If I go here, then he goes here, then after this exchange, I can win a pawn."

Positional play: "My opponent has a massive hole on d5. If I put my knight there, then it will exert strong pressure and influence on the enemy position while it has no way of being dislodged."

Are the terms "joseki" and "fuseki" anything like that?

VULPES_VULPES wrote:

An epiphany:

When one plays a game of Go, he is like a god who creates a world in the vast expanse that is the 19x19 board. Each stone is like an atom, or a unicelluar organism, or a star, or an angel created to establish a dominion in this universe, while his opponent, an inventor of evil and opposition counters his great plans. As individual things evolve into greater beings, good and evil begin to clash and fight for dominion over the universe. Worlds are destroyed and stars fade like candles after a strong gust of wind passes by. Unfortunate creatures become victims of swords and scythes and the elements perish in fire. The war is great, and there will be only one victor.

I think it's simply amazing how akin playing Go is to, essentially, being a god. 

What I learned today: I make a very bad omnipotent deity

lol

This was an interesting article on computers and Go:

http://www.wired.com/2014/05/the-world-of-computer-go/

Cool article Jimmykay!

im really sorry, but i dont know the terms of chess so i try to take it in my mind, i use terms of go just because its easier for y this way D:

fuseki is the first step of the game, fuseki starts when the first stone is put on the board, in fuseki you set your territory and influence while your opponent do the same, it ends when the first fight begins, then comes the chuban (or middle game), then, at the end comes the yose, in yose you just colse your open territories geting the lastes points on the board to end the game

in chess fuseki peopple can mate in 4 turns or castle the king or do amazing things, to do so lot of peopple use "the moves of the books" or "the moves thar pros have invented", in Go, those moves (or chains of moves) are called josekis :)

PD: Really thanks for all your advices, ive improved a lot this days, reaching 1441 on the web i know, i know its very low but i feel happy with this 1220 -> 1441 this week :D

Oh okay.

In chess, those terms would be "opening" (fuseki/joseki, depending on how the word is used), "middlegame" (chuban), and "endgame" (yose).

"Opening" refers to the first 5-12 moves of the game, where all the theory lines or "book moves" (the chess counterpart of "joseki", like you mentioned, are played.

"MIddlegame" is the phase of the game that arises as soon as the players run out of theoretical or "book" moves. This is the meat of the game where all of the pieces are out and ready fight, attack, and defend. During this time, the king doesn't do much - if any - fighting since there are so many pieces on the board that the king will only stand in the way of his own army and be trapped by enemy pieces.

"Endgame" occurs when enough pieces have been traded away or captured for the king to safely come out and participate in the battle as an attacking piece. With pawns left on the board, the goal in the endgame is almost always to create a passed pawn and promote it while preventing your opponent from doing the same. Then, ultimately, comes the checkmate or drawing sequence that ends the game.

I would say that "joseki" would be well translated as tactical patterns, and "fuseki" might be thought of as opening patterns.

AG said himself that joseki is basically "book of the moves", meaning "book moves", meaning "opening theory lines".

"And while programmers are virtually unanimous in saying computers will eventually top the humans, many in the Go community are skeptical. 'The question of whether they’ll get there is an open one,' says Will Lockhart, director of the Go documentary The Surrounding Game. 'Those who are familiar with just how strong professionals really are, they’re not so sure.'"

If you watch pre deep blue videos of man-machine matches in chess the same things are said.  Programmers said it's just a matter of time, while a few pro chess players said it's nearly impossible.

Same thing for the "mysterious moves."  They said some moves can't be explained.  How to judge an open file or king safety?  Impossible for a computer.  Today we can laugh at such comments.

If Go were more prominent in western culture and had I been exposed to it at an earlier age, I could not say which I would prefer...

Despite the simplicity of the moves in gameplay, its depth is fascinating. They're completely different games though, and many of the comparisons here are not really fair or show a lack of understanding of Go or chess.

From my experience in chess, I think I was more prone to sharp fights than most non-chess players who played Go. Tactics are very important in Go, but without strategic understanding you are at a huge disadvantage. You will often see sacrifices, but the result will often be in the form of long term compensation that can only be evaluated on intuition. I remember a Go professional commented that chess players tended to be very materialistic and she began to understand why when she learned chess. I think one could reasonably argue that Go is a more dynamic game than chess. This may sound strange to a chess player, since all the pieces in Go are the same and none of the pieces move on the board!

If only there were some American or European Go pro who wrote an English book on Go theory and expressed the subtle beauty and enigmatic quality of the game to the general public the same way done for chess 2000+ years ago and in recent past, then the game would become more and more popular on this side of the globe.

All it takes is one Go pioneer to transport the game to the other hemisphere, really. For chess, that pioneer lived more than 2000 years ago (I think), but a second pioneer, known as Fischer, came and did the same thing, popularizing chess in the entire western hemisphere once again. When will a Fischer-like Go pro appear to us?

Michael Redmond comes to mind, but he ended up staying in Japan. I heard rumors about a pro system developing in the United States, but I don't know if this has panned out yet.

Ahh... I see. Go history in the making!

Didn't Lasker play go?  Or maybe it was that other Lasker :p

Anyway, it's already been introduced over here, it's just not very popular.  If there were more books and clubs who knows, I may have not played much chess.  I learned the rules to both as a kid.

I just looked on the AGA website and found details about their professional system:

http://www.usgo.org/professionals

The Lasker played Go, yes.