Here is a picture of the worlds oldest pawn

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idosheepallnight

Actually back then it was called a Warder.

Dakota_Clark

yea i dont believe that for a second....

PanaPawn

Those are perhaps Europe's oldest pieces, but there are older from the arab world. That is from the Isle of Lewis pieces that are estimated to have been made in the 10th or 11th century.

These pieces are a solid 300 years earlier.

It's not known if this is for chess or another game. If it is for chess, it is the oldest known piece being dated from around 465AD.

kunduk

nice...!! but dont forget that chess had been invented in INDIA. & so, INDIA must have been having the oldest chess pieces..

happyfanatic

His helmet looks like a nightcap.  I can imagine this guy creeping around his house with a nightstick in the middle of the night because he thought he heard something.

ichabod801

I believe that's the bishop from the Lewis chess set, not the pawn. The pawn is more like a tombstone with a celtic knot on it.

Steinwitz

So many mistakes,.

The photo shows the piece we call the rook (tower, castle in other nations).

It's from the Lewis chessmen, of which a miraculously large number were found.

The staring eyes are interesting - we see them as being timid or scared, but it is thought that the pieces were deliberately given "fierce eyes".

In the link below you can see the full set, and you'll see that the pawn is quite different.

The chessmen have been dated and are believed to have been made in Trondheim, in Norway, where there have been similar finds. The descendants of the Vikings liked playing chess, as it appealed to their vision of laws and political rule (they were sophisticated lawmakers, the Vikings.)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lewis_chessmen

Maradonna

Yeah, we have some of those pieces here in Edinburgh. Some good info here if your interested

http://www.nms.ac.uk/our_museums/national_museum/special_exhibitions/lewis_chessmen_tour.aspx

 

I like the shield biting fella.

Kernicterus

Don't you think Scotland should give them back to Norway?

Maradonna
AfafBouardi wrote:

Don't you think Scotland should give them back to Norway?


 I don't know the politics behind the pieces or how museums work. Is it a finders keepers kind of idea? The pieces were found on the Isle of Lewis - Scotland, so I don't know if that's significant. I'd be happy to share :)

Elroch

The striking thing about the Isle of Lewis piece, is what a realistic sculpture it is. These days we only have half a horse and a stone tower that can really be identified! Was there a conscious choice to make the pieces more abstract, perhaps to reduce the link to war?

Maradonna

I remember the hype when we got the stone of destiny back. Can't believe it was as long ago as that. So I'd understand the desire for people wanting to reclaim something.

http://www.aboutscotland.co.uk/stone/destiny.html

But I'm not even sure if the pieces were originally made in Norway either. Interesting question though. Might have a little look into. Could go up to the museum and ask some fella. it's only 20 minute walk away.

As an aside, I actually went to see then once. However, the place is all twisty and on five floors. I couldn't find them and had to leave for work. So I'll need to go back.

Did see Jackie Stewart's racing car thuogh - it was awesome!

Steinwitz
AfafBouardi wrote:

Don't you think Scotland should give them back to Norway?


No. The pieces were found in the ground in Scotland, and were probably there for a long time before being found. For all we know, they were legitimately bought from the artisans in Norway, or exported from there, purchased in Scotland, and later buried in the ground by the owner, or lost.

Abslutely no problem with these being kept in Scotland, and just pleased they were found and preserved. Quite proper that the British Museum returned their pieces from the set to Scotland, though.

This is very different from those cases where foreign archeologists/historians go to another nation, purchase artifacts (or chip them lose from their mounts) and then transport them home for exhibition. The Elgin-marbles being a case in point.

JG27Pyth

What wonderful little sculptures the Lewis chess pieces are! I'd seen them a hundred times before but for some reason today I see them fresh. Must stay up till 5 am more often ;)

DMX21x1
AfafBouardi wrote:

Don't you think Scotland should give them back to Norway?


Hell no. My understanding of this is that they were left behind by Vikings.  They probably came to Scotland for some pillaging/plundering, so they're not getting them back on principle and can think themselves lucky that I'm not taking the matter any further. 

Steinwitz
DMX21x1 wrote:
AfafBouardi wrote:

Don't you think Scotland should give them back to Norway?


Hell no. My understanding of this is that they were left behind by Vikings.  They probably came to Scotland for some pillaging/plundering, so they're not getting them back on principle and can think themselves lucky that I'm not taking the matter any further. 


Your understanding of this is quite flawed.

These chessmen are made in the 12th century, well after the Viking era ended, and when the Hebrides, Orkneys and other islands in the north were inhabited by Norsemen and Scots, all actively engaging in trading.

Norsemen had extensive trade going all the way to Constantinople, and it's assumed the game of chess made its way north by such a trade route. The pieces were given their Norse look, but also heavily influenced by the church, given the Bishops.

It's a lot more likely that it was a merchant who lost these, for some reason. Who knows, maybe even a shipwreck, and then trying to hide valuables to avoid them getting "salvaged."

But no one outside the British Isles is making any claim to the pieces, but the English did steal quite a few, and are unwilling to return them all to Scotland. I'd direct my "ire" in that direction, if I were you. I believe the British minister of Culture and Sports said the Scottish claim to the 60+ pieces in the British Museum was a lot of nonsense.

Kernicterus

<cough>  I was just teasing around.  I don't think Norway is upset.  But that's funny about not taking things any further.  lol

justingoodhart
What's it made of. Ivory?
Steinwitz

Most of them were made from walrus ivory, a few from whaletooth.

DMX21x1
Steinwitz wrote:
DMX21x1 wrote:
AfafBouardi wrote:

Don't you think Scotland should give them back to Norway?


Hell no. My understanding of this is that they were left behind by Vikings.  They probably came to Scotland for some pillaging/plundering, so they're not getting them back on principle and can think themselves lucky that I'm not taking the matter any further. 


Your understanding of this is quite flawed.

These chessmen are made in the 12th century, well after the Viking era ended, and when the Hebrides, Orkneys and other islands in the north were inhabited by Norsemen and Scots, all actively engaging in trading.

Norsemen had extensive trade going all the way to Constantinople, and it's assumed the game of chess made its way north by such a trade route. The pieces were given their Norse look, but also heavily influenced by the church, given the Bishops.

It's a lot more likely that it was a merchant who lost these, for some reason. Who knows, maybe even a shipwreck, and then trying to hide valuables to avoid them getting "salvaged."

But no one outside the British Isles is making any claim to the pieces, but the English did steal quite a few, and are unwilling to return them all to Scotland. I'd direct my "ire" in that direction, if I were you. I believe the British minister of Culture and Sports said the Scottish claim to the 60+ pieces in the British Museum was a lot of nonsense.


Flawed should be my middle name, I don't know much about them, Vikings I mean. Laughing 

I did read this though

There was not much left out of the records during the earliest period of the Viking occupation in Scotland, although their presence was clearly felt from 830 A.D. up until 1468.