Horse or bishop?

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Cherub_Enjel

A bishop is worth more than a knight.

Cherub_Enjel

You could say a knight has merits over a queen. Doesn't mean it is worth more, with implication being on average.

The bishop is just a bit better, but it is better.

stassneyking
Cherub_Enjel wrote:

A bishop is worth more than a knight.

In some positions yes, in others no. Any book on the subject will tell you this.

Rookiland

The Bishop is usually better, especially if the position is somewhat open. That's why you usually shouldn't trade Bishop for knight in the opening unless you have to. 

Cherub_Enjel

In some positions, a pawn is better than a rook. When people say the value of the pieces, they mean on average.

Obviously one can look at some positions and say with certainty what the value of a piece is. Sometimes you have no clue. I'd choose the bishop over the knight in such a case for sure.

Cherub_Enjel

The three practical ways of getting a material advantage against a decent opponent is to attack his/her king and force a defensive sacrifice, win pawn(s), by creating weaknesses perhaps, and finally by trading your knight for a bishop.

This is a general statement. Grabbing pawns while letting your king get mated is clearly a poor choice. Just like when it is obvious a knight is better than a bishop in a certain position, you don't trade your knight there.

stassneyking
Cherub_Enjel wrote:

You could say a knight has merits over a queen. Doesn't mean it is worth more, with implication being on average.

The bishop is just a bit better, but it is better.

Okay, of course the queen is better that the knight unless there's like a direct way for the knight to win the queen or game. But bishop vs knight is a real debate and there's plenty of literature on it. Basically I think it's naïve to think of the bishop as 3 and the knight 2.5 or whatever without asking yourself how it applies to the position. Taking point value too seriously I think is a common beginner mistake.

stassneyking

In positions where it's unclear and the bishop is active, I agree, the bishop is probably slightly better.

IlMave

But in 75% of my games. My opponent chooses to exchange bishop for a horse. Why?

 

Rookiland

Probably cause it doubled your b pawns, a weakness. Usually you would develop your Bishop to b5 or g5 and retreat when attacked to keep the tension and pin on the knight. 

diego3141
I thin
Slow_pawn

I can't believe none of the jokers said "a horse of course" yet lol

fieldsofforce

So, why the long face, horse.

Cherub_Enjel

Because your opponent is a beginner, and it seems you are too.

PawnosaurusRex

A horse! A horse! My kingdom for a horse.

Rookiland

Lol that is probably true, his opponent was playing complete novice moves.

gingerninja2003

usually this is the logic. they don't ask themselves 'should i take' they ask themselves 'is it safe to take'. 

diego3141

Impossible to say. It depends which position it is.

 

oregonpatzer

Horse or bishop?  It doesn't have to be mutually exclusive!  During the Norman Conquest William's brother-in-law, Bishop Odo, rode into battle wielding a mace, because it was considered a bad look for a churchman to wield a sword, and he wielded his mace to great effect. 

BlargDragon

I'd rather ride a horse than a bishop. The latter have comparatively weak backs.