How do Norms Work EXACTLY?

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sndeww

Title says it all. 

I keep hearing things like "I made the GM norm" or something like that, and I know you need to get some norms to get the title.

But how do you get a norm? By beating a bunch of titled players? I think it's more complicated than that, though.

Is it?

llama

Wiki will tell you most of it, but for ALL the details (and there are a lot more than you might think) read the FIDE handbook (which is free, just google it).

For an example of an obscure detail, players can't earn norms at a tournament unless a certain number of countries are represented by the players there. I think it's at least 3? So you could score 10 out of 10 against GMs but still not get a norm.

So people choose their tournaments wisely (and there are tournaments that specifically organize themselves, and advertise themselves, as having norms available).

rishabh11great

Well, to achieve an IM title you need 3 norms , you get a norm when you score 1/3 atleast in 1 tournament against IMs and your performance rating is 2450. After getting 3 norms you become and IM.

rishabh11great

And same for a GM but you need a performance of 2650 in 3 different tournaments to get the GM title.

blueemu
rishabh11great wrote:

Well, to achieve an IM title you need 3 norms , you get a norm when you score 1/3 atleast in 1 tournament against IMs and your performance rating is 2450. After getting 3 norms you become and IM.

Thee are other qualifications required as well.

rishabh11great

Ya , minimum 2400 rating for IM and 2500 for GM.

llama

There are many more rules, and OP is asking "exactly."

So OP should read the FIDE handbook because it's free and has all the rules.

rishabh11great

No I dont think there are more rules, but I will provide the link.

llama

Unfollowing...

rishabh11great

This page has EVERYTHING , that how titles and norms work, you can refer it: FIDE HandBook

blueemu
krazeechess wrote:

ok but how do you get NM and CM titles

FIDE does not hand out NM titles. The national chess federations (eg: USCF) give them out. That's why it's called NATIONAL Master.

rishabh11great

Yup, but you can checkout the link I provided to see how CM works.

Deranged

Yeah you need to read the FIDE handbook if you want to know the exact conditions for how norms are attained. There are tonnes of rules and exceptions, so I can't tell you everything. The link that rishabh gave is great for explaining it all.

To give a basic summary:

For an IM norm: must play at least 9 rounds, each game being 90 minutes or longer time control, your performance rating must be at least 2450, at least 1/3rd of your opponents must be IMs or GMs, and your opponents must come from at least 3 different countries.

For a GM norm: same thing except at least 1/3rd of your opponents must be GMs and your performance rating must be at least 2600.

rishabh11great
Deranged wrote:

Yeah you need to read the FIDE handbook if you want to know the exact conditions for how norms are attained. There are tonnes of rules and exceptions, so I can't tell you everything. The link that rishabh gave is great for explaining it all.

To give a basic summary:

For an IM norm: must play at least 9 rounds, each game being 90 minutes or longer time control, your performance rating must be at least 2450, at least 1/3rd of your opponents must be IMs or GMs, and your opponents must come from at least 3 different countries.

For a GM norm: same thing except at least 1/3rd of your opponents must be GMs and your performance rating must be at least 2600.

Not necesarily 90 min , any classical format is fine and you also need a rating of 2500 to claim the GM title and a rating of 2400 to be an IM.

sndeww

ok thanks, guys. Especially @rishabh11great for giving me the link directly to the norms section happy.png

rishabh11great

Welcome happy.png

sndeww

Yeah unfortunately uscf CM isn’t recognized by chess.com sad.png

sndeww

Wait uscf CM doesn’t need norms, right

rishabh11great

Ya

NikkiLikeChikki
I hear there’s a bar in Boston where you walk in and everyone yells “norm!” Maybe you can get one like that.

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