How good a chess player was Marcel Duchamp?

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CarolineHettPeel
He write a chess column in Ce Soir and I believe he played for the French national team. He was a Morphy Number 3. Does anyone know who he played to become a Morphy number 3?
mpaetz

Renowned French artist Marcel Duchamp took up chess seriously when he was in his 20s and living in Argentina to avoid World War I. He played in a few early Chess Olympiads on the French national team along with Alekhine. He gave up art because he felt there was more room for creativity in chess. In the late 1920s and 1930s he played in many tournaments in Europe, playing many famous players (Maroczy, Tartakower, Koltanowski, Colle), losing more often than winning. One of his best results was 3rd place in the Belgian National Championship in 1924. He won the championship of Normandy and the World Amateur Championship that same year. He was champion of Paris (1932) and won the European Correspondence championship (1939).

He came to the US to escape WWII and lived in New York through the 1950s and early sixties, participating in numerous local tournaments. When the US Chess Federation introduced a rating system in the early 1950s he attained a rating of 2413.

CarolineHettPeel
Thank you. That’s really useful.
the-original-apb

Is there documentary evidence that the rating of 2413 was composed by the USCF, of Duchamp's rated US games . his games for NY clubs (Marshall, Greenwich, London Terrace) and his NYSCA tournaments? It is curious that this 2413 rating has also been attributed as his best rating when he stopped competitive play in Europe in 1939, and it may be that the USCF merely primed his initial rating from that. As I'm writing about this, I would appreciate any assistance you could offer?

Cold_W1nter

What? That's a confusing request especially on a brand new account, how'd you find this forum you're apparently super interested in and maybe critical of? I think it's also irrelevant, that was his peak according to our knowledge of his recorded games. If he played in clubs, ones that might not have been sanctioned, he might have dropped in rating. It's completely irrelevant to the OP post though, and if you really want evidence you can go search your heart out for it all you want.

the-original-apb

Jeez - what a welcome, Cold_Winter! Yes I'm a serious Duchamp scholar, sorry if I annoyed your sense of righteousness. I was responding to one particular post that caught my interest. In what way is an interest in in Duchamp's rating not relevant to a forum whose theme is 'How good a chess player was Marcel Duchamp?' I will certainly 'GO SEARCH MY HEART OUT FOR IT'. Might I suggest that in the mean time - you get a life?

mpaetz

Duchamp played in a few chess tournaments in New York State in the 1950s when he was 70+ years old, games rated under the Harness system. The elo system didn't come into use by USCF until 1960 and Duchamp only played one tournament under that system.

So when he was old and mostly retired he had a USCF rating of a Senior Master.

tygxc

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"Does anyone know who he played to become a Morphy number 3?"
++ He drew against Frank Marshall, Morphy number 2:
https://www.chessgames.com/perl/chessgame?gid=1095179

the-original-apb

mpaetz - many thanks for restoring my faith in human kindness with a very constructive and helpful response. With respect to the single tournament he competed in post-1960, do you have any information you could share? I am also curious about the eligibility for the USCF title of Senior Master. Was this automatic from rating? In any event, my humble thanks!