How good is the average chess hustler?

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ayus1234567

found great video channel on youtube where this guy plays amzingly close games aginst chess hustlers in parks.  called YuviTeachesChess.  https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCEbc-6NAc7Ksa2FihqqHwkg 

Cobra2721

From watching YT videos I would say they are about 1400

howian1

Most of them are reasonably good. I am rated at 2,140 and am a little better than I was a few years ago when I played Roman Dzindzihashvili. We started playing 5-3 I think $5 a game (back a few decades) and I won one and he won two, but I was suspicious, and thought I was getting hustled and said that's enough. He said no, I give you good odds, and played 5-1. In those days, bullet chess wasn't known, and the idea of making good moves in let's say .5 second seemed hard.
He beat me 2, I won 1, but I got the sense he was a good deal better than me even at those odds and fortunately stopped. Andy Soltis was nice enough to play me a couple of games at a tournament, he was up on Fischer in one game at the Manhattan tournament, but beat me easily. Sosonko has a book where he talks about a top Russian he played 5 minute well enough to beat some grandmasters but was less good at regular speed. Nokamura plays incredibly well at 1 minute and is beating masters easily even at great time odds.

ForsookTheRook

I watched Roman Dzindzichashvili play bullet for a buck a game back in the eighties. Touch move and he was playing on a board with light plastic pieces. Pieces were flying everywhere. Ha! He got the worst of it, too, playing a young player rated in the 2300 range.

PromisingPawns

Better than me I guess.

zeptozetta
phemoxx wrote:

Nah, there's no way most of these chess hustlers are anywhere close to above 1700 or so. They will beat the average person who hardly plays chess and they should have a good shot at intermediate players with the blitz format. But there's no way people like Boston Mike would win against an IM or GM level player. I also think the idea that unknown GM level players played in the park in the 80s is a heavily romanticized view. It's equally unlikely as a GM level player being 'revealed' at older age or playing 'under the radar' for years.

I just played Boston Mike today. Beat him three games to one. Two of them it felt like he was going easy on me because he hung a couple of early checkmates, but my third win was a hard-fought game where he might have pulled out a win or at least forced a draw if he hadn’t hung his rook in the endgame. For the record I’m 1900 on chess.com. I’d love to know what his actual rating is.

play4fun64

To strong chess players, if you won against a chess hustler, don't take the bet amount. Agree on a small amount so if you lose, consider it a sparring fee.

phemoxx
play4fun64 wrote:

To strong chess players, if you won against a chess hustler, don't take the bet amount. Agree on a small amount so if you lose, consider it a sparring fee.

Why would you do that? If you win fair and square, it really only makes sense to get the money. Keep in mind those hustlers also win a fair amount of games too, often because they play lines with a specific trap.

phemoxx
zeptozetta wrote:
phemoxx wrote:

Nah, there's no way most of these chess hustlers are anywhere close to above 1700 or so. They will beat the average person who hardly plays chess and they should have a good shot at intermediate players with the blitz format. But there's no way people like Boston Mike would win against an IM or GM level player. I also think the idea that unknown GM level players played in the park in the 80s is a heavily romanticized view. It's equally unlikely as a GM level player being 'revealed' at older age or playing 'under the radar' for years.

I just played Boston Mike today. Beat him three games to one. Two of them it felt like he was going easy on me because he hung a couple of early checkmates, but my third win was a hard-fought game where he might have pulled out a win or at least forced a draw if he hadn’t hung his rook in the endgame. For the record I’m 1900 on chess.com. I’d love to know what his actual rating is.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He is an experienced player, but I strongly doubt he is close to 1900.

Senior-Lazarus_Long

C strength. About 1500

Senior-Lazarus_Long

Fischer and Tal used to play blitz for$ ,when short. They were hardly average. Usually just hustle a hustler,for lunch money.

magipi
Senior-Lazarus_Long wrote:

C strength. About 1500

How could a 1500 rated guy win money on chess? Impossible.

Most likely a master or at least CM.

Senior-Lazarus_Long

I don't know. I played $2 chess games my first night,in the Army at the reception center. It was fun. I'm not even 1500.

ostrichyyy
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play4fun64
magipi wrote:
Senior-Lazarus_Long wrote:

C strength. About 1500

How could a 1500 rated guy win money on chess? Impossible.

Most likely a master or at least CM.

Majority are ,,U1700 chesscom. They are fast with physical board. They have not studied deep chess knowledge. Mostly puzzles.

Shijindrake

yall seriously underestimate the impact of just sitting around playing chess all day. These guys can be great at times. I'll sit down as a 2000 and go 50-50 after a few games. Some guys will start "getting help" if you beat them though, if you know what I mean. It is, as it always was, a hustle. 
I've played some who I'd rate as around 1300 and some who were definitely not cheating and rocking a 2300-400 level performance. Anywhere in between. 
They're just guys who love chess and devote a lot of time to it, but probably won't ever be hikaru or anything. 

Duncan-Mcloud43
howian1 wrote:

Most of them are reasonably good. I am rated at 2,140 and am a little better than I was a few years ago when I played Roman Dzindzihashvili. We started playing 5-3 I think $5 a game (back a few decades) and I won one and he won two, but I was suspicious, and thought I was getting hustled and said that's enough. He said no, I give you good odds, and played 5-1. In those days, bullet chess wasn't known, and the idea of making good moves in let's say .5 second seemed hard.
He beat me 2, I won 1, but I got the sense he was a good deal better than me even at those odds and fortunately stopped. Andy Soltis was nice enough to play me a couple of games at a tournament, he was up on Fischer in one game at the Manhattan tournament, but beat me easily. Sosonko has a book where he talks about a top Russian he played 5 minute well enough to beat some grandmasters but was less good at regular speed. Nokamura plays incredibly well at 1 minute and is beating masters easily even at great time odds.

Thanks for sharing this.